e-monk

dude you're trying awfully hard to pick apart something someone said in passing that barely pertains to the actual subject of the thread - it's sad

what's sadder yet is that in your tortured attempts to score a point you are taking the absurd stance that the medieval catholic church was amenable to secular democracy

(and just as an aside and in order to prick your pompous bloviation balloon - Savonarola was excommunicated, imprisoned, tortured etc because he disobeyed the church - period - he disobeyed the church, they shut down the activities they only just barely tolerated and then they put the medicis back in place to role it all back - 'you can do anything you want as long as you dont threaten our orthodoxy and continue to obey us in all things' - the case of Savonarola is a great example of exactly the opposite of the ridiculous point you're trying to prove)

E.H. Munro

You're now adding a qualification ex post facto in order to justify an earlier boneheaded remark. The Catholic Church wasn't "uncomfortable with democracy" because a thousand years ago they were more comfortable with democracy as it existed within the context you're referring to than they were with strong autocrats because the former tended not to step on their toes. Luther was certainly no friend of secular democracy so I'm not sure what your point is now. (As a matter of fact his doctrine of total obedience to the state was far more monarch-friendly than the Catholic Church's.)

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R-Star

Jesus you two.....

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Ballscientist

5 big groups think american are enemies.

1. Russian and those former Soviet Unions

2. Japanese - atomic bomd, will retaliate, bring American to the war

3. Islam - 45 countries?

4. Chinese - 1.3 billion people

5. Communist - 35 countries such as North Korea, Cuba .....?

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e-monk

you're pathetic

the remark in full was : "I kind of get the feeling that Islam doesnt really fit well with secular democracy, much the same way that old school Catholicism wouldnt have until Luther and the German merchant princes came along"

and then you pulled out a 'LOL Wut' and started talking about the Lombard League (strange bedfellows in common cause not something the church fostered and encouraged) and Savonarola (good example of how you're wrong) and the divine right of kings(wtf?)


go start your own thread, youre worse than BS

Hyperion

Yeah this is what got their panties in a bunch. I doubt that these mobs saw this video, let alone know what youtube is let alone even have a computer. I mean, look at the production quality here, do they have this poor of production value on tv there? Is that why they thought this was state sponsored or something?

The ironic part of this is that they respond to a video calling Islam a violent religion by rioting.

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Nimreitz

I think it was a planned attack for 9/11, not a response to this thing.

E.H. Munro

I had ignored the film before now, but how could reporters get taken in by the name Sam Bacile? Didn't it occur to any of them to say the name quickly? Apparently the man behind it is a Copt, which sort of makes sense. They have no love for the Muslims.



No one a thousand years ago would have "fit well with secular democracy" if by "secular democracy" you mean modern pluralistic states, which are a development of the last century and change. So again I have no idea what the **** you're talking about. For Luther the secular state was a government with an absolute monarch who held religious and civil authority (this is why England was a "secular state" in the 17th and 18th centuries despite the presence of a state church and the laws regarding allowable religious practise). So reformation protestantism "wouldn't have fit well" with pluralistic democracy, either.

Islam, Catholicism and others fit perfectly well with democracy (as a matter of fact, if the UK, US, & USSR could have kept their cocks in their pants there would be a cadre of solid democratic states in the arc of trouble, unfortunately the great powers just couldn't leave Iran, Pakistan, and Afghanistan alone.

Also, in the future, could you do us all a favour, it's one thing to be a wikidiot savant, but could you actually take the five minutes to read the ****ing articles and stop just glancing at the outlines and filling the gaps in with your assumptions. (Yes I've been on to this since your asinine statements regarding universal & anthropic mechanism, I thought that even a "google smart" person would know to go to the SEP as a starting point for any philosophical backgrounding, and on a suspicion I elected to look up the wiki entry to see if that's where your bad information came from, and voila, if one did no more than read the outline, and not the actual article, one would indeed to be prone to making such mistakes. Sort of like asserting that the Catholic Church arrested, imprisoned and executed Savonarola because the outline heading reads "Excommunication & death".)

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Krstic All-Star

Same here, and that's what my ME sources have been saying too.

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I heard it's all a plot from Israel to control the world.

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Hyperion

USA vs the Middle East.... I think the USA would get bored. It's too hard to only kill the bad guys. It's like having a yard but not being allowed to use weed poison. Having to pull weeds is a pain in the ass. I would rather light my yard on fire and get gravel than have to pull every potential weed. I'd rather spray the yard and deal with the one or two a month that grow outside he sprayed zone. The one or two would be the McVeigh's and the Batman dude.

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e-monk

three words: sea of glass

MemphisX

Americans are such hypocrites.

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Ballscientist

When GW Bush is President, American was not hypocrites. Now American look like Japanese.

Think about what Japanese said. They talk about the peace after they made decision to get the island.
All the actions indicate they want the war, bring the american to the war.

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