Dornado

Walmart is the one putting out the ma and pa shops, not employee wages.

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Nimreitz

No, it comes down to you not knowing what you're talking about. Walmart moves so much product that the price increases are minimal or nothing if you give tiny bumps in salary for the lowest common denominator. You know this because the minimum wage does go up periodically and does not really affect prices. Food prices are high because of stuff like scarcity, rising fuel costs, and inflation, not because of union stock boys.

Mom and pop might have a tougher time dealing with unions which is why they don't have to put up with unions in their small business, but you brought up Walmart, not them.

R-Star

If you're a union hack, sure, I could see that being the go to argument.


And why is that? Because Walmart can afford a decent wage,hours and benefit package to worthless menial jobs that a small independent company can't compete with?

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R-Star

Jesus..............


You realize you're the one who brought up $3 to $8 right? And said it had no factor in costs, correct?

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Nimreitz

Do you even read what you quote?

E.H. Munro

It also coincides with the US abandoning a sound money policy, and the massive stagflation brought on by LBJ/Nixon era guns & butter social spending. And those have a lot more to do with an economic problem. Also, R-Star is right in this situation (though maybe not for the reason he thinks). The industrial era is passing. Holding on to the social structures of that era, far from being "liberal" is reactionary. It's sort of like the American evangelicals that long for the 1950s to return. They're gone. let them go.

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R-Star

Good one Nim....


I assume that's your que to exit the thread.

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Ron

I had to argue every ****ing grievance, no matter how trivial.

So what do you tell the employee whose grievance is shit, and you won't represent them? What do you tell them about the dues they still have to pay but can't get a union steward to argue their case for them? I am curious.

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Dornado

Wal-mart puts tons of small businesses out wherever they show up... they can offer things (everything, all in one place) at lower prices and still afford limitless advertising... and they have this habit of paying low wages and giving people just enough hours so that they don't get health benefits. In Wisconsin the last time I checked the "BadgerCare" (government assisted health insurance) rolls are filled with Wal-mart employees.

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R-Star

....Because they are menial workers with no discernible skills. The health care provided is much better than the mom and pop option of nothing. The low wages are no lower than at the mom and pop either. But instead of being the 1 employee that sweeps, there's 15 at the Walmart, so there's flexibility in the work schedule.


If you talk to any mom and pop place, one of their main complaints will be how difficult it is to find and retain good workers.

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Dornado

If a grievance is truly without merit (frivolous)the local executive board (elected leaders of the group) have the ability to settle it or withdraw it... ultimately the grievance is the property of the union and not the individual. Some err on the side of filing grievances to avoid DFR claims, some do a lot of pre-screening. Most of the locals (something like 50+) I deal with file maybe two or three grievances a year.

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Dornado

my point is that no, it isn't. http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/10/...nefits-always/

Wal-mart offers shit for benefits... they made a short PR stunt of offering health benefits to more workers but rolled it back shortly thereafter. Wal-mart doesn't have to offer high wages because they often become the only game in town - once all of the mom and pop stores are extinct.

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Nimreitz

I am indeed done with the thread, but I cannot substantively reply to what you're giving. I have explained my position and you have retorted with "you moron". But to summarize.

$10million in extra wages or benefits for vegetable canners won't really influence the price on canned corn if you sell a billion cans a year. Employee wages also don't have an effect on the demand curve, so you will probably not be able to increase prices all the way to compensate 1-to-1 for every new dime given to employees.

R-Star

Nice link. Now link one to what mom and pop stores were offering their employees.


Also, thank you for not hitting on the flexibility of hours as well.

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R-Star

Cop out harder.


What you said was "If Walmart changed their wage from $3 to $8, it would change nothing.", you brought that up, you said that. Not me. And it was ridiculously stupid to say.


Also, if you think employee wages, the price to transport the cans to the stores, and so on and so forth does not affect product pricing I don't know what to tell you other than you're wrong.


You can go ahead and look for one of those posts where I called you a moron if you'd like. What I did was clearly state my side of the case, and instead of posting anything of substance you tried to make a ghost fight out of a post I had with Tornado about the recession, and your $3 to $8 "point" that you tried to dump in my lap like I said it.

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