After Israel, Hamas reach Gaza cease-fire, both sides claim victory - Basketball Forum : Professional and College Basketball Forums

**Prince** · 11-22-2012, 10:46 AM

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TEL AVIV — Israel and the Islamist group that rules the Gaza Strip made dueling victory claims Wednesday night after an Egyptian-brokered cease-fire ended a blistering week-long crackdown on militants in the Palestinian enclave.

The deal averted a ground war that Israel had threatened, but it leaves the crux of the conflict unresolved, with neither side winning major concessions. The agreement restricts Israel from deploying ground troops or targeting militant leaders in Gaza, while Palestinian factions there are commanded to cease rocket attacks on Israel.

Although some details remained to be worked out, the terms addressed the most combustible elements in a dangerous cycle that had quickly escalated into the most serious clash since 2009 between Israel and Hamas, the militant Islamist group in Gaza.

After seven days in which hundreds of Palestinian rockets were fired into southern Israel and hundreds of Israeli airstrikes targeted Gaza, the United States and Egypt played key mediating roles in the accord, which was announced in Cairo after a meeting between Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and Mohamed Morsi, the Egyptian president.

The agreement came despite a fierce overnight barrage of airstrikes by Israel in Gaza and a midday bombing attack on a public bus in Tel Aviv that left 22 Israelis wounded and carried the potential to contribute to a worsening spiral.

The rubble-covered streets of densely populated Gaza thundered with the pops of celebratory gunfire as the truce went into effect at 9 p.m. local time, while the Israeli military pointed to its success in killing seven senior militants with air attacks as evidence of a battle triumph.

But both sides said they stood poised to resume fighting if the deal broke down, and it was clear that the truce had the potential to unravel. Several rockets were fired from Gaza into Israel after the cease-fire went into effect, Israeli media reported.

The tone of the victory claims by both sides showed the unrelenting hostility that remains between the foes. And the fighting had the potential to escalate into a broader regional war at a time when upheaval across the Middle East has added to a sense of instability.

“Their aim was to deter us,” senior Hamas leader Khaled Meshal said of Israel on Wednesday night. “The resistance showed them. This deterrence has failed. Israel has failed in all of its goals, thanks to God.”

For its part, the Israeli military issued a statement saying the campaign, dubbed Pillar of Defense, had “accomplished its pre-determined objectives” by degrading Hamas’s command-and-control apparatus, devastating its infrastructure and destroying the network of tunnels used to smuggle weapons.

The military said Israeli airstrikes had “severely impaired’’ Hamas’s ability to launch rockets into Israel from the Gaza Strip. In addition, it said the country’s new, U.S.-funded missile defense system, called Iron Dome, had intercepted 84 percent of 421 Palestinian rockets that would have otherwise landed in populated areas of Israel.

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**Diable** · 11-22-2012, 11:06 AM

Honestly think that both of them won, but only against Abu Mazen. He's the one who loses, along with anyone who thinks that there can be a negotiated solution. Netanyahu and Hamas are pretty much on the same page to be honest.

Nimreitz · 11-22-2012, 11:30 AM

I don't give a shit what they tell their populations, just stop killing each other you ****s. I'd wipe away both countries if I could. Give the holy land to Sweden.

**Hyperion** · 11-22-2012, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Nimreitz

I don't give a shit what they tell their populations, just stop killing each other you ****s. I'd wipe away both countries if I could. Give the holy land to Sweden.

Kill all the Jews and give their lands to a bunch of blonde hair blue eyes?

omer51 · 11-22-2012, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Nimreitz

I don't give a shit what they tell their populations, just stop killing each other you ****s. I'd wipe away both countries if I could. Give the holy land to Sweden.

Idiot

**Prince** · 11-22-2012, 01:45 PM

Lets get rid of Omer.

Nimreitz · 11-22-2012, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by omer51

Idiot

Stop bombing destitute civilians who live in densely populated slums?

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Originally Posted by Hyperion

Kill all the Jews and give their lands to a bunch of blonde hair blue eyes?

Exactly.

omer51 · 11-22-2012, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Nimreitz

Stop bombing destitute civilians who live in densely populated slums?

I wonder if Canada government will decide to fire rockets to Milwuakee what would you do... You don't know nothing about what hapening here and what our people in the south suffering for the last 12 years. Idiot.

**Prince** · 11-22-2012, 03:14 PM

Smath · 11-22-2012, 03:19 PM

Hamas's moto is "We love death as much as the jews love life"

now wich side do you think is trying to make peace and be humnitarian , and wich side do you think just wants the other side dead? no peace no nothing.

from 1948 , the countries around us haven't accepted the UN's decision to give us a country , we'r just deffending ourselfs.

Nimreitz · 11-22-2012, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by omer51

I wonder if Canada government will decide to fire rockets to Milwuakee what would you do... You don't know nothing about what hapening here and what our people in the south suffering for the last 12 years. Idiot.

Yeah, that's totally a legit equivalency. I know there are old Canadians talking about how they were forcibly removed from their homes in Shorewood and forced to live in frosty ghettos.

Mr. Hobbes · 11-22-2012, 03:34 PM

Never met a Jew who's admitted any wrongdoing by the Israeli gov. It's like arguing the US occupation with a super-conservative. You're just not gonna get thru.

Nimreitz · 11-22-2012, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Smath

from 1948 , the countries around us haven't accepted the UN's decision to give us a country , we'r just deffending ourselfs.

Serious question, if the UN decided to give Israel to displaced Uighurs would you accept it and just leave?

omer51 · 11-22-2012, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Nimreitz

Yeah, that's totally a legit equivalency. I know there are old Canadians talking about how they were forcibly removed from their homes in Shorewood and forced to live in frosty ghettos.

Most of the people in Gaza are from Egypt... and i love it how people from outside who had 0 knowledge on the situation here believes that they know the "truth"...

Nimreitz · 11-22-2012, 04:23 PM

You're right, I'll ask someone from Gaza what they think because proximity always makes you correct. I'm sure you will have no objection to me accepting what they say.

11-22-2012, 11:06 AM	#2 (permalink)
Diable Limehouse Blues Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 22,140 Rep Power: 14577544	Re: After Israel, Hamas reach Gaza cease-fire, both sides claim victory Honestly think that both of them won, but only against Abu Mazen. He's the one who loses, along with anyone who thinks that there can be a negotiated solution. Netanyahu and Hamas are pretty much on the same page to be honest. __________________

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Nimreitz Legend Join Date: May 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Age: 29 Posts: 16,247 Rep Power: 14813408	Re: After Israel, Hamas reach Gaza cease-fire, both sides claim victory I don't give a shit what they tell their populations, just stop killing each other you ****s. I'd wipe away both countries if I could. Give the holy land to Sweden.

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Smath All-Star Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Tel-Aviv Israel Posts: 5,038 Rep Power: 344832	Re: After Israel, Hamas reach Gaza cease-fire, both sides claim victory Hamas's moto is "We love death as much as the jews love life" now wich side do you think is trying to make peace and be humnitarian , and wich side do you think just wants the other side dead? no peace no nothing. from 1948 , the countries around us haven't accepted the UN's decision to give us a country , we'r just deffending ourselfs. __________________ KVBL/FRSL - Miami Heat GM 2029 KVBL Champions: Miami Heat (Smath) Lineup - PG Sergio Jose Salvadores \| SG Chris Love \| SF Malcolm Xavier \| PF Skyler McClean \| C Dwight Howard \| 6th man SG Edd Timmons Finals MVP: Malcolm Xavier 2025 KVBL Champions: Miami Heat (Smath) Lineup - PG Chris Love \| SG Gerrod Clifton \| SF Malcolm Xavier \| PF Skyler McClean \| C Jeremy James \| 6th man SG Edd Timmons Finals MVP: Skyler McClean 2016-2017 FRSL Champions PG: Jrue Holiday /// SG: Monta Ellis /// SF: Josh Smith /// PF: Tim Duncan /// C: Andrew Bynum /// 6th player: Devin Ebanks /// Playoffs MVP: Andew Bynum

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Mr. Hobbes Legend Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 19,469 Rep Power: 21474863	Re: After Israel, Hamas reach Gaza cease-fire, both sides claim victory Never met a Jew who's admitted any wrongdoing by the Israeli gov. It's like arguing the US occupation with a super-conservative. You're just not gonna get thru. __________________ don't edit me bro

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Nimreitz Legend Join Date: May 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Age: 29 Posts: 16,247 Rep Power: 14813408	Re: After Israel, Hamas reach Gaza cease-fire, both sides claim victory You're right, I'll ask someone from Gaza what they think because proximity always makes you correct. I'm sure you will have no objection to me accepting what they say.

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