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Old 01-15-2013, 05:13 AM   #151 (permalink)
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How nice, they get tickets if they get caught. Meanwhile they are maiming and killing people everyday. Facts and logic trump someones 'terrible' job.
The facts and logic are, you brought up driving and cell phones, and two people mentioned that its been made illegal.

That is fact.

Its in its infancy, and I'm sure over the years will be pushed and the numbers of related deaths will drop.


That is logic.


You brought up, "People who use guns to kill people are the same as people who use cellphones and drive."

That is a bad analogy.
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Old 01-15-2013, 12:13 PM   #152 (permalink)
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I love the knife analogy too. Oh yeah, it's really easy to go on a spree with a knife.
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I love the knife analogy too. Oh yeah, it's really easy to go on a spree with a knife.
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I've always kind of thought so.
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So are you advocating an outright ban on cell phones and/or cars, mandatory jail terms, or just an end to all attempts to curb the use of the two in unison because some people don't pay attention to the law?
No, I am not advocating banning anything. But many are advocating the banning of guns. Stupid people doing stupid things kill. That is what I am saying. There are more laws regulating guns than you can shake a stick at. they mean little to nothing to the stupid, insane, and criminal minds bent on reeking havoc on civilized people.
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No, I am not advocating banning anything. But many are advocating the banning of guns. Stupid people doing stupid things kill. That is what I am saying. There are more laws regulating guns than you can shake a stick at. they mean little to nothing to the stupid, insane, and criminal minds bent on reeking havoc on civilized people.
Nobody's realistically talking about banning guns. If somebody told you that they lied to you to scare you. Will you wind up seeing some types of guns banned? Probably. Is it always going to be possible for someone intent on committing a tragedy to kill a bunch of unsuspecting people? Definitely. The biggest difference that the right type of legislation could have is in curbing the 1/2/3/4-casualty shootings that result from two hotheads getting into it and one of them getting a pistol from under the seat of his car. Mass-killings are always going to be extremely hard to prevent, but curbing the sky-high murder rate in some of the country's cities is an attainable goal.

Also, the idea that "You can't prevent all deaths, so it's stupid to try to prevent any deaths" just doesn't make sense to me.
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Why have murder laws? Crazy people commit murder anyway.
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Common sense has no place in the American Political discourse, it's foolish to embrace any stance that does not involve the complete capitulation of all who disagree with you.
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Re: The Gun Debate

What I have learned from this is that most of the people who are for banning a "type" of weapon are doing so because that does not really effect them in the least. It is easy to be on your moral high horse when it does not change your life at all. However, imagine the debate if Adam Lanza would have intentionally took his car and plowed through a bunch of kids and killed the exact same amount. Would people be calling for a ban on the tool used in carrying out the horrific crime? Of course not because then it would inconvience them and their lives.
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Except cars are designed to move people and things over land, but are dangerous when misused. Guns (service rifles like the AR15 in particular) are designed specifically to inflict injury and death in humans and do so whether used properly or improperly. Also, cars are way more strictly regulated than guns because they can be dangerous when misused.

So yes, the thing that is dangerous when misused is regulated more intensely than the thing that is designed to be dangerous.
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Nobody's realistically talking about banning guns. If somebody told you that they lied to you to scare you. Will you wind up seeing some types of guns banned? Probably. Is it always going to be possible for someone intent on committing a tragedy to kill a bunch of unsuspecting people? Definitely. The biggest difference that the right type of legislation could have is in curbing the 1/2/3/4-casualty shootings that result from two hotheads getting into it and one of them getting a pistol from under the seat of his car. Mass-killings are always going to be extremely hard to prevent, but curbing the sky-high murder rate in some of the country's cities is an attainable goal.

Also, the idea that "You can't prevent all deaths, so it's stupid to try to prevent any deaths" just doesn't make sense to me.
Legislation of any kind will NEVER stop bad or ill people from obtaining and using any kind of weapon. Legislation will only make it harder for normal average people from protecting themselves, their families, and their property.
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Legislation of any kind will NEVER stop bad or ill people from obtaining and using any kind of weapon. Legislation will only make it harder for normal average people from protecting themselves, their families, and their property.
Legislation will make it harder for the firearms industry to sell some newer/bigger products as well as reduce volume, and will be an inconvenience to some recreational shooters who want guns that are very high-powered or designed for military applications. Considering that banning pistols, revolvers, and shotguns isn't even being mentioned in any of the legitimate gun control debates nationally, the proposed legislation won't make it any harder for the average person to defend themselves or their families. That's another thing someone lied to you about.
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If you're buying a gun for home defense, you're paranoid. Unless you live in an area where home break-ins is common place and people are walking about strung out on drugs, a home break-in while you're home is a rarity. They'll just steal your gun while they're stealing your tv, couch and hi fi while you're at work.
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If you're buying a gun for home defense, you're paranoid. Unless you live in an area where home break-ins is common place and people are walking about strung out on drugs, a home break-in while you're home is a rarity. They'll just steal your gun while they're stealing your tv, couch and hi fi while you're at work.
Well, I live in a pretty low-crime area and a friend of mine had someone try to break into her parents' house when she was home. They gave up when they weren't able to kick in the door, but she was upstairs with her dad's pistol if he got in. It happens. I don't really have an issue with people who want a firearm for home defense (even though the gun is way more likely to be used in some other type of shooting). I just have an issue with the idea that any legislation = complete disarmament of the law-abiding public. It just doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
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