Nimreitz

It's one thing to cut spending, it's another thing to tank the nation's credit and default on loans. The credit rating already got downgraded over this political bullshit once.

joek

What credit? If our creditors call in the loans it's over. dbuma and the liberals and any others that continue to spend what you don't have will most certainly destroy America and make it a third class liberal rat hole. Our credit was down graded because it is so high and that is do to spending what you don't have. It isn't rocket science. If anyone can't understand spending what you don't have, any of you lend me 100K each and see if I pay you back.

Prince

Classic, delusional joek. Run back to your gated community and your precious YANKEES.

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Nimreitz

Yes, luckily the national debt is not structured in such a way that every creditor is going to demand its money at the same time. And you are completely and utterly misinformed and wrong about the downgrade.

Secondly, the debt explodes under Republican administrations and gets reined in under Democrats.

Finally, national debt is totally different from personal debt and your analogy is way off base and completely inapplicable.

Again, freerepublic.com might be more your speed.

E.H. Munro

This is true in the same sense that someone jumping off a tall building isn't killed by the jump but by the impact. Which is to say somewhat true but mostly misleading. The reality is that debt's been exploding for 70 odd years. The only exceptions are the "do-nothing" congress of 1946-50 which Truman rode out of Washington. An all democrat Washington in turn led to more deficit spending until the economy caught up with all of Truman's initiatives in the late 50s. Then LBJ launched a spending spree so ambitious, which Nixon did nothing to correct, that led to mushrooming debt during the Ford/Carter years (otherwise known as stagflation).

The only other exception was the back half of the 90s, but neither the president nor the second "do nothing" congress can take much credit for that as they all spent like it was Mexican Sex Party, USA!™. But survived because the paradigm shift in the economy led to eruption of revenues so large that even those party reptiles couldn't spend it all. The last 12 years is more consonant with the country's 20th century history.

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E.H. Munro

Again, this is true in the sense that guns don't kill people, it's those pesky bullets. It was downgraded because the last time they went through this the government did zilch to curb spending. They could raise the debt limit by $228 Godzillion™ tomorrow, but when there's no agreement to reign in the structural deficit the credit rating is still going to get downgraded.

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If everyone loves you you're doing it wrong.

"Opium is the religion of the masses." Fred Reed

The Power of 99 Press

"He thinks it's going to be fun being governor. It's only fun being governor of New York if you have money to spend, and I spent it all." Nelson Rockefeller on his successor, Hugh Carey.

joek

First. USA credit has been downgraded. That is a fact.

Second. That is an out and out lie.

Third. Wrong, debt is debt. When your lenders want their money and you cannot pay. You are done.

e-monk

this happened after your guys decided for the first time ever to hold the debt cieling hostage do you not remember things that happened as recently as 2 years ago? do you not realize that most of what you are bitching about is your own damn fault?

sorry bubble boy, it's not - I'm pretty sure the last republican to run a balanced budget was named Ike, everybody liked him and back then we taxed the rich at like 90%; and on the other hand the last dem to do so was the last dem in office (he actually ran a surplus), so suck it red boy

you're just...

joek

It appears that you think trying to put a cap on spending that is burying the American people is bad.

I guess you don't have to balance a budget if you don't have one. Then it is easy to spend one trillion dollars a year you don't have.

You are the definition of the "dumbing down of America".

e-monk

you clearly dont understand what the debt cieling is, please dont vote

this seems to be the republican tenent, yes

highly ironic, Im sure you hear that a lot, again, please do not vote

joek

Now that's funny.

Never has a Republican President not had a budget year. The present degenerate liberal scum President hasn't ever had a budget.

Very telling how you plead for someone to not vote. Everyone has the right and should vote however they believe. You knock red states while we all live in the United States. Your words define you and your ilk.

Nimreitz

LOL, because the President is the one who passes the budget. If anything this is a knock on your Republican controlled shitty Congress. You are so far down the Freeper hole you have absolutely no idea how to tell reality from the constant stream of lies you hear. I bet you get a lot of spam emails from PACs and people selling gold because, surprise, all the Republican sites have sold your information and advertisers think you are stupid.

joek

Edit: Clean up your posts before you post them. Saying things like Muslim loving Obama is going to get your post edited. Thanks.

- Prince

e-monk

look you're not only blatantly wrong on the facts but you have repeatedly demonstrated that you lack even a basic understanding of the concepts being discussed

so yeah, for the love of god please dont vote.

E.H. Munro

Actually the Senate is the body refusing to pass budgets and hasn't since 2009. Reid is as corrupt as they come and also someone that benefits (electorally speaking) from the system of continuing resolutions that allows everyone to take tough stands on both sides of every spending issue. So this piece of legerdemain will be with us for a while.

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If everyone loves you you're doing it wrong.

"Opium is the religion of the masses." Fred Reed

The Power of 99 Press

"He thinks it's going to be fun being governor. It's only fun being governor of New York if you have money to spend, and I spent it all." Nelson Rockefeller on his successor, Hugh Carey.