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Old 01-22-2013, 08:58 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Re: Japan is more dangerous than Iran and North Korea.

In fairness to BS Godzilla is on their side these days.
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Old 01-29-2013, 05:21 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Why, what is China going to do? Destabilizing the USA is completely against the interests of China and that's all they can really do. They're going to war? How many major wars have there been since we entered the nuclear era? The cost benefit analysis doesn't allow it.
Nobody's saying that we're going to go to war with China over these islands or that they're going to do their best to sink the economy further. However, they can be a pain in the ass when it comes to getting things through in the UN if they have a mind to do so, and they also double as just about the only country that can tell North Korea what to do and when to do it. I promise you it's better to not have China mad at us.
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how would them being an obstacle on the security council be a change of pace?
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So you're saying that there's nothing China can do to make things more difficult?
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Old 01-30-2013, 05:22 AM   #20 (permalink)
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I'm saying they already do plenty of that - last I checked they werent being that effective handling north korea either - and that which they could do at this point isnt in their best interests any way and china strikes me as a supremely rational actor
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...and relations can always get frostier, and they can always do more to create problems. Just because they don't rubber stamp everything we do doesn't mean they methodically block everything we do, either. Are you saying it's in the countrys' best interest to get involved in an emotionally charged standoff between China and Japan?
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Re: Japan is more dangerous than Iran and North Korea.

We are involved. The Japanese are our allies. When the Chinese go sticking their fingers in the Japanese's eyes they are doing the same to us. More to the point they want these disputes to be settled on the basis of their military power. In case you've never read a history book, that's a very poor precedent to allow.

What will probably happen if it escalates is that the Japanese (and perhaps the South Koreans) will go Nuclear. Both nations are almost certainly prepared to very quickly acquire nuclear weapons if they think that this is a necessity. Obviously the Chinese would be less inclined to bully them around if they had to worry about starting a Nuclear War every time they started showing their asses.
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...and relations can always get frostier, and they can always do more to create problems. Just because they don't rubber stamp everything we do doesn't mean they methodically block everything we do, either. Are you saying it's in the countrys' best interest to get involved in an emotionally charged standoff between China and Japan?
like I said china is a rational actor, methodically blocking everything we do isnt in their best interest within their own sphere of influence let alone on the world stage - our relationship(s) with china are too symbiotic/parasitic at this point
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...and relations can always get frostier, and they can always do more to create problems. Just because they don't rubber stamp everything we do doesn't mean they methodically block everything we do, either. Are you saying it's in the countrys' best interest to get involved in an emotionally charged standoff between China and Japan?
This is an area in which I've done some work, so I'm a tad limited, but the issue isn't as simple as a longstanding emotionally-derived issue between China and Japan. China is looking to gain hegemony over the South China Sea and certain other strategically important maritime areas, and has been looking to chip away at the US naval presence in particular. So we're already involved in the larger jockeying irrespective of any specifically Chinese/Japanese quarrels.
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Re: Japan is more dangerous than Iran and North Korea.

Now, South Korea is an ally worth defending, but I wouldn't hate it if we stopped footing the bill so completely for the worlds' navy. I still don't agree that Chinese-Japanese tensions have no negative impact on the US.
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