[hoojacks]

Originally Posted by Talkhard

They're fleeing because they're beaten. The goal of any war is to win the war--not to fight it indefinitely. I hope that's not too difficult a concept for you.

Hey! Did you hear that? WE BEAT THE TERRORISTS. Call off the search for Osama! We won!

[toutlaw25]

I love reading these threads because it makes me realize that not one single poster has absolutely any clue what is going on over there. Have fun kids.

[Talkhard]

Originally Posted by barfo

Well, if they are still alive and just in a different place, we haven't beaten them. Moving them around doesn't defeat them. I don't think that's some sort of a semantic trick. Running them out of Iraq doesn't really accomplish much of anything in terms of the war on terror (which is why we are in Iraq to begin with, according to you).

Again, you are "playing dumb" just to make your point. For starters, no one said that the war on terrorism was going to be won definitively in Iraq. It IS a good place to start, however, and we HAVE killed or captured alot of the terrorist scumbags there. Now the ones that remain are apparently starting to flee the country. Will we kill or capture all of those who are fleeing? Probably not. But then reasonable people understand that.

But the fact remains, if they are fleeing from Iraq then we are beating them in Iraq. Period. If WE were fleeing from Iraq, they could say that they are winning, but that is not the case.

And "running them out of Iraq" DOES accomplish quite a bit in the war on terror. If potential recruits see the Islamic terrorist scum fleeing Iraq they may have less incentive to join them, for one thing. And those who have been forced to flee Iraq may also lose some of their will to fight us, since being forced to flee a country isn't exactly a morale-building exercise.

But I suspect that you know all of this and are just trying to be contentious, as usual.

[Talkhard]

Originally Posted by hoojacks

Hey! Did you hear that? WE BEAT THE TERRORISTS. Call off the search for Osama! We won!

edit: Attack the post not the poster -sa1177-

[hoojacks]

Originally Posted by Talkhard

Don't be an idiot.

You're right. We're not even looking for Osama anymore, so how can we call off the search?

[Ed O]

Originally Posted by toutlaw25

I love reading these threads because it makes me realize that not one single poster has absolutely any clue what is going on over there. Have fun kids.

Thank goodness you're here to tell us that everyone is wrong.

Ed O.

[SodaPopinski]

Originally Posted by Talkhard

Wrong, but thanks for playing.

In the new Iraq there is:
No Saddam Hussein
No rape rooms
No mass executions
No dictatorship
No suppression of the press
No intimidation of the people

On the positive side, there is:
A new federal constitution
Regular and open elections
A parliament
A representative form of government
A free press of over 100 independant newspapers
A higher standard of living
An independant army and police force
More rights for women and homosexuals
Hope for the future

Once you decide Iraq is safe enough for you to take a vacation there and you post a thread "postcards from Iraq" in the OT forum from a cyber-cafe in Baghdad, I'll believe you that all is peachy over there. Until then, I think I'm pretty safe in saying you're bending the truth from thousands of miles away because you can and you think it makes your political viewpoint sound better.

By the way, did anyone else notice the irony that Talkhard actually claimed "more rights for women and homosexuals" as a positive thing?

-Pop

[toutlaw25]

Originally Posted by Ed O

Thank goodness you're here to tell us that everyone is wrong.

Ed O.

No problem. Please take part in three separate stints over the course of the war and then get back to me. The news couldn't possibly give an accurate portrayal if it tried. This also goes for the politicians visiting a FOB in Baghdad and "assessing" the situation on the ground. Laughable.

[MARIS61]

Originally Posted by SodaPopinski

By the way, did anyone else notice the irony that Talkhard actually claimed "more rights for women and homosexuals" as a positive thing?

-Pop

Defending this damn war has caused Talkhard to lose touch with his core principles!

[barfo]

Originally Posted by toutlaw25

No problem. Please take part in three separate stints over the course of the war and then get back to me. The news couldn't possibly give an accurate portrayal if it tried. This also goes for the politicians visiting a FOB in Baghdad and "assessing" the situation on the ground. Laughable.

Well, how about giving your assessment then? I think we'd all be interested in a first-hand report.

barfo

[Ed O]

Originally Posted by toutlaw25

No problem. Please take part in three separate stints over the course of the war and then get back to me. The news couldn't possibly give an accurate portrayal if it tried. This also goes for the politicians visiting a FOB in Baghdad and "assessing" the situation on the ground. Laughable.

I've never played in the NBA. Guess I shouldn't post on this board?

I've never been to the moon. Guess I shouldn't trust anything anyone's ever written about it?

What about Civil War history? I wasn't alive in the 1860's. Should I act like it never happened?

Or is it that YOU are there, so therefore only you can understand it? Well, I grew up in a small town in Oregon. Just white people, but no racism that I ever saw. Does that mean that anyone who ever discusses racism MUST not know what they're talking about (or be able to comment intelligently on it)?

Please. I'm happy for you that you served in the military, and that you made it through three stints. Stop pretending like you're the only one who can possibly know what's going on. Especially from a strategic level, being on the ground doesn't really add much. If you've got things to correct in this thread (or, indeed, in any) based on what you've seen? Go for it. Otherwise stop acting superior.

Ed O.

[R-Star]

Originally Posted by Talkhard

Wrong, but thanks for playing.

In the new Iraq there is:
No Saddam Hussein
No rape rooms
No mass executions
No dictatorship
No suppression of the press
No intimidation of the people

On the positive side, there is:
A new federal constitution
Regular and open elections
A parliament
A representative form of government
A free press of over 100 independant newspapers
A higher standard of living
An independant army and police force
More rights for women and homosexuals
Hope for the future

I think all of what you just wrote is a bit of a stretch. Im not going to go through each point by point, but I cant say as I agree with your rose colored view of whats going on over there.

That being said, while you sugar cote whats happening, people on the other end of the spectrum refuse to greet any news from Iraq as good news. I've been 100% against the war from day one, but this is indeed good news. I could go on about what I dont like about the war, but whats the point? I've said it all before, and its not going to change the fact that we're there.

What I hope for now, is continued good news from the front. If things continue the way their going, the troops could be out of there in the not so distant future, and good, solid changes could be there when we leave.