[Yega1979]

From BBC News:

Human Rights Watch says its research suggests the security forces may have fabricated the group's name.
It reports claims the case was used to justify renewing emergency laws.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/7137950.stm

But don't worry kids, that kind of thing would NEVER happen in America. Stuff like that only happens in brown countries.

[Krstic All Star]

Comparing Egypt's record on terrorism with that of the US implies that you understand neither.

[stockfire]

edit: No personal attacks please - sa1177

[Yega1979]

Originally Posted by Krstic All Star

Comparing Egypt's record on terrorism with that of the US implies that you understand neither.

Or that I am not ignorant of the US history of terrorism, as the vast majority if US citizens, such as yourself are.

[Krstic All Star]

Try again. That was really weak.

[It's_GO_Time]

Originally Posted by Krstic All Star

Try again. That was really weak.

Why?

You make a quick blanket statement saying yega doesn't know what he is talking about and yega responds either I don't or you (and the general public) doesn't.

Makes sense to me and seemed like an appropriate response to your post . . .

[Yega1979]

It's the kind of response a person makes when they really have nothing intelligent to say.

Here's a few examples of terror sponsored by the US goverment.

1946- U.S. opens School of the Americas in Panama. Now located in Fort Benning, Georgia, the "School of the Assassins" has taught over 60,000 personnel from some of the world's most brutal regimes how to subvert the truth, to muzzle union leaders, activist clergy, and journalists, and to make war on their own people.

1951- CIA is involved in a coup to overthrow nationalist Primeminister Dr. Muhammed Mossadeq in Iran. Supports Iranian military in massacre of Mossadeq supporters and returns the Shah to power. In 1976, Amnesty International concluded that the Shah's CIA-trained security force, SAVAK, had the worst human rights record on the planet, and that the number and variety of torture techniques the CIA had taught SAVAK were "beyond belief." 1951-CIA involved in terror campaign against democratically elected Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala. After Arbenz government is overthrown, CIA backed regimes murder more than 100,000 Guatemalans over the next 40 years

1961- CIA recruits 1500 Cuban exiles to invade Cuba and overthrow the Castro regime. The Pay of Pigs invasion would be a disaster, however the CIA would continue with more than two dozen attempts to kill Castro.

1963- The CIA have South Vietnemese president Ngo Dinh Diem overthrown and assasinated for supporting negotiations with the north. After 20 years of covert war the U.S. turns to direct military invasion, in a war that costs tens of thousands of Vietnemese, Cambodian and U.S. lives

1963- CIA recruits Iraqi Baath Party (including a young Saddam Hussein) to assasinate the new leader, Abdul-Karim Kassem. After the coup, the CIA gave the Baath a long list of communists and others to liquidate. During the 1980s the CIA would go on to help provide weapons to both Iraq and Iran in a war that would kill over one million people.

1965- CIA provokes a coup that leads to the overthrow of Indonesian leader Sukarno, who is replaced by General Suharto. In the follow ing weeks between 500,000 and one million people are murdered by death squads using lists provided by US State Department.

1973- After interfering in Chilean elections in 1958 and 1964, the CIA begins a campaign of sabotage and terror after leftist Salvadore Allende is elected president in 1970. In 1973, a CIA supported coup overthrew and assassinated Allende and installed fascist General Pinochet, resulting in thousands of murders over the next two decades. This year in France, former U.S. secretary of state, Henry Kissinger was served a (mostly symbolic) warrant for arrest as a war criminal for his role in the coup.

1979- After Nicaraguan dictator Samosa is overthrown in 1979, the CIA helps to train Samosa's National Guard into death squads known as the Contras. The Contras are used to terrorize rural Nicaragua while the US military blockades Nicaragua's harbors with mines. In 1989, after 10,000 deaths, the US is successful in ousting the Sandanista government.

1989- US invades Panama to overthrow and "arrest" Manuel Noriega, who has been on the CIA payroll since 1966 and supported through decades of drug running, political assassination and corrupt elections. After the invasion, which included the fire bombing of an entire urban ghetto, human rights observers uncover mass graves and estimate that over 4,000 died during the invasion.

1991- US and allies (mostly Britain) invade Iraq after U.S./CIA supported Saddam Hussein invades Kuwait. 200,000 Iraqis are killed, including over 400 civilians killed by two U.S. missiles in the Al-Amerya air shelter. Over the next 10 years another 400 tons of explosives will be dropped on Iraq killing another 300 civilians, and hundreds of thousands more starved through U.S. imposed sanctions. The U.S. forces Saudi Arabia to allow thousands of U.S. military to remain indefinitely within its boarders.

1993- WTC bombed, FBI agents caught on tape ordering the event.

1998- Al Shifa pharmaceutical plant in Khartoum, Sudan is bombed without warning by 13 U.S. cruise missiles killing a janitor. The attack deprives Sudan of desperately needed medical drugs and potentially killing tens of thousands of people. The CIA later admits that information linking the plant to Osama bin Laden was probably "incorrect."

2001- WTC 7 collapses in on itself at free fall speed, an event which is impossible if it were not set up for demolitions weeks in advance of 9-11.

[Krstic All Star]

Originally Posted by Kiss_My_Darius

Why?

You make a quick blanket statement saying yega doesn't know what he is talking about and yega responds either I don't or you (and the general public) doesn't.

Makes sense to me and seemed like an appropriate response to your post . . .

His comment was inane and generalized. Incidentally, I know quite a bit about the subject, and work in the field. And my sources don't stem only from this country either. So I invited him to try again.

[Krstic All Star]

Originally Posted by Yega1979

It's the kind of response a person makes when they really have nothing intelligent to say.

Here's a few examples of terror sponsored by the US goverment.

1946- U.S. opens School of the Americas in Panama. Now located in Fort Benning, Georgia, the "School of the Assassins" has taught over 60,000 personnel from some of the world's most brutal regimes how to subvert the truth, to muzzle union leaders, activist clergy, and journalists, and to make war on their own people.

1951- CIA is involved in a coup to overthrow nationalist Primeminister Dr. Muhammed Mossadeq in Iran. Supports Iranian military in massacre of Mossadeq supporters and returns the Shah to power. In 1976, Amnesty International concluded that the Shah's CIA-trained security force, SAVAK, had the worst human rights record on the planet, and that the number and variety of torture techniques the CIA had taught SAVAK were "beyond belief." 1951-CIA involved in terror campaign against democratically elected Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala. After Arbenz government is overthrown, CIA backed regimes murder more than 100,000 Guatemalans over the next 40 years

1961- CIA recruits 1500 Cuban exiles to invade Cuba and overthrow the Castro regime. The Pay of Pigs invasion would be a disaster, however the CIA would continue with more than two dozen attempts to kill Castro.

1963- The CIA have South Vietnemese president Ngo Dinh Diem overthrown and assasinated for supporting negotiations with the north. After 20 years of covert war the U.S. turns to direct military invasion, in a war that costs tens of thousands of Vietnemese, Cambodian and U.S. lives

1963- CIA recruits Iraqi Baath Party (including a young Saddam Hussein) to assasinate the new leader, Abdul-Karim Kassem. After the coup, the CIA gave the Baath a long list of communists and others to liquidate. During the 1980s the CIA would go on to help provide weapons to both Iraq and Iran in a war that would kill over one million people.

1965- CIA provokes a coup that leads to the overthrow of Indonesian leader Sukarno, who is replaced by General Suharto. In the follow ing weeks between 500,000 and one million people are murdered by death squads using lists provided by US State Department.

1973- After interfering in Chilean elections in 1958 and 1964, the CIA begins a campaign of sabotage and terror after leftist Salvadore Allende is elected president in 1970. In 1973, a CIA supported coup overthrew and assassinated Allende and installed fascist General Pinochet, resulting in thousands of murders over the next two decades. This year in France, former U.S. secretary of state, Henry Kissinger was served a (mostly symbolic) warrant for arrest as a war criminal for his role in the coup.

1979- After Nicaraguan dictator Samosa is overthrown in 1979, the CIA helps to train Samosa's National Guard into death squads known as the Contras. The Contras are used to terrorize rural Nicaragua while the US military blockades Nicaragua's harbors with mines. In 1989, after 10,000 deaths, the US is successful in ousting the Sandanista government.

1989- US invades Panama to overthrow and "arrest" Manuel Noriega, who has been on the CIA payroll since 1966 and supported through decades of drug running, political assassination and corrupt elections. After the invasion, which included the fire bombing of an entire urban ghetto, human rights observers uncover mass graves and estimate that over 4,000 died during the invasion.

1991- US and allies (mostly Britain) invade Iraq after U.S./CIA supported Saddam Hussein invades Kuwait. 200,000 Iraqis are killed, including over 400 civilians killed by two U.S. missiles in the Al-Amerya air shelter. Over the next 10 years another 400 tons of explosives will be dropped on Iraq killing another 300 civilians, and hundreds of thousands more starved through U.S. imposed sanctions. The U.S. forces Saudi Arabia to allow thousands of U.S. military to remain indefinitely within its boarders.

1993- WTC bombed, FBI agents caught on tape ordering the event.

1998- Al Shifa pharmaceutical plant in Khartoum, Sudan is bombed without warning by 13 U.S. cruise missiles killing a janitor. The attack deprives Sudan of desperately needed medical drugs and potentially killing tens of thousands of people. The CIA later admits that information linking the plant to Osama bin Laden was probably "incorrect."

2001- WTC 7 collapses in on itself at free fall speed, an event which is impossible if it were not set up for demolitions weeks in advance of 9-11.

Yes, I'm aware of all of that. Incidentally, did you copy the list from theinsurgent.net or fdrs.org?

And none of it is comparable in any case to Egypt's actions in response to terrorism. Try to cut and paste something analogous to Nasser's reaction to the Muslim Brotherhood, and maybe I'll bother to give it credence.

[It's_GO_Time]

Originally Posted by Krstic All Star

His comment was inane and generalized. Incidentally, I know quite a bit about the subject, and work in the field. And my sources don't stem only from this country either. So I invited him to try again.

Well I guess it was an "invitation" to try again . . . I hope if you receive any holiday "invitations" to parties thet are a little less offensive that your "invitation" to yega.

The way I read it, I would characterize that more as an insult than an invite.

[Krstic All Star]

Originally Posted by Kiss_My_Darius

Well I guess it was an "invitation" to try again . . . I hope if you receive any holiday "invitations" to parties thet are a little less offensive that your invitation to yega.

The way I read it, I would characterize that more as an insult that an invite.

It was a challenge, and a bit of an insult - you read correctly. The fact is that he doesn't know what he's talking about, and is trying to project it on others, including myself. Therefore I threw out a half-insult/half-challenge, to which he responded by cutting and pasting from one of two sites, both of which I identified immediately.

If he'd responded with something substantive, and not simply pasted without citation, I would have given him some credence - at least enough to think about hearing him out. Instead, he chose to, as I've said earlier, cut and paste. That's not knowledge, it's having a website handy. And failing to cite is suspicious in all instances, as it leads to a presumption that one doesn't have anything original, but wishes to appear that way. I do a lot of research in the field, and recognize the signs.

Accordingly, my participation in this thread is finished, as I stand by my initial post being proved, in that Yega has failed to rebut my inference. If you'd like to hear more, feel free to PM me, but don't expect me to bother with this any more. I have an essay due on an area of cyber-terrorism that DARPA hasn't touched yet.