[B_&_B]

Originally Posted by crandc

As for McCain being a moderate, on what? He has repudiated every independent stand he ever took, including on religious tolerance, torture, abortion, immigration, campaign finance, marriage equality, science education...he has done a total flip flop. Not to mention wanting to stay in Iraq another 100 years and singing and dancing about a new war with Iran. If you like Bush, you'll love McCain.

The only thing I find true about that is his stance on Iraq. He will not pull the troops out. He was one of the harshest critics of President Bush's strategy in Iraq and wanted the "surge" long before the President. The surge worked. Most conservatives hate McCain because he is too independent and a moderate. Him being an independent and a moderate are a good thing IMO.

[SodaPopinski]

Originally Posted by crandc

BTW, it's pretty early, but a poll on the general election showed Oregon going Republican, I thought Oregon was a Democratic state? Has the demographic changed since 2000/2004?

The GOP is a mess in this state, and has been for quite some time. Oregon still has about 100,000 more registered Democrats than Republicans, and the majority of the unaffiliated voters in this state tend to lean to the left. I expect whoever the Democrat candidate is for president to carry this state by around a 10 point margin.

-Pop

[mook]

Originally Posted by LameR

First off, I don't know a whole lot about either. I did some research a while back, but other than that I'm not a great wealth of knowledge.

However, there is a Poly. Sci. major down the hall from me who is crazy about this kind of stuff to the point where he heard that Obama didn't really make a whole lot of decisions and decided to research Obama's votes for the past year. His conclusion was that Obama was present for some things, but rarely ever took a side (I don't know the political term for this, again...not any type of expert myself), but for a very large part of it he wasn't even present.

Take it as you will. Second-hand information. It steered my friend away from voting for him (he had been considering it), as he didn't want to vote for someone who couldn't take a stance on something, or at least be politically involved prior to candidacy.

here's a great analysis of Obama and Hillary's achievements in the Senate during 2007. it certainly was a surprise to me:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/20.../807/36/458633

here's a funny little piece on Hillary's Red Phone ad written by Larry David:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-...e_b_90338.html

[B_&_B]

Good read... thanks mook!

[#10]

Is there anyway to figure out if I'm registered as a Democrat or Independent? I forget which I chose, and seeing as it might actually matter now, it'd be nice to be able to vote in the Democrat's primary.

[crandc]

Try your county registrar of voters. Or the Democratic Party. If Oregon has an open primary (I have no idea if they do) it doesn't matter, you can vote anyway.

[It's_GO_Time]

Originally Posted by sa1177

moved to OT

I want instant replay on this one. The OP mentioned Oden, hype, turning a franchise around, solid role player and experience v. raw talent. All very relevant stuff to the Blazers and thus it deserves to be on the main board instead of this graveyard.

And if after futher review, you still decide to keep the thread moved . . . well that that is just a bad mother****ing **** call. And you may not be able to see it, but I just threw the ball against the backbaord support and then heaved into the crowd.

[2k]

I favor Obama simply because I’m a literalist. The big issue is the war. Obama didn’t just give one speech against it he gave several and predicted in true detail the problems we would have. Hillary didn’t even read the National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq. You have to vote based on what candidates do. Bush displayed slovenly leadership skills before he was president so we should not be surprised that he ignored 52 warnings of an impending terrorism attack. McCain was a relatively solid public servant. His recent courtship of the rightwing, along with his stake that he needs to convince the population that the Iraq war is going well disqualifies him.

After reading Mooks article I feel some confirmation in my instincts.

It remindes me of the time before the candidate field was narrowed when my favorite candidate was Bill Richardson. I completed a political survey that allowed you to pick a candidate based on anonymous beliefs, and quotes. In that survey I picked Richardson. I was surprised because I preferred Richardson accomplishments more so than his beliefs.

[sa1177]

Originally Posted by Kiss_My_Darius

I want instant replay on this one. The OP mentioned Oden, hype, turning a franchise around, solid role player and experience v. raw talent. All very relevant stuff to the Blazers and thus it deserves to be on the main board instead of this graveyard.

And if after futher review, you still decide to keep the thread moved . . . well that that is just a bad mother****ing **** call. And you may not be able to see it, but I just threw the ball against the backbaord support and then heaved into the crowd.

Made me laugh even at 6:45 AM on a Saturday. I hate when I can't manage to sleep in on the weekends.

[Dan]

I think we're a country to short attention span people. Because the media isn't harping about the war anymore, people forget about it. They're now saying that the economy is the "true" big ticket issue.

Well, people always think that tax cuts are the answer (after all, look how brilliantly the Bush cuts have boosted the economy) and who's the one who promises to make the "Bush cuts" permanent?

Thats right, Frank Stallone.

[MARIS61]

My preference is Mike Gravel, and he'll get my vote unless Obama convinces me he's a definite change for the better.

Hillary has never been anything like Bill (who I wish I could vote for again) politically, intellectually, or emotionally. She's dangerous in that she impulsively has to prove she's "tough", whether she's right or wrong. Now she has stooped to deceit and character attacks. She turns my stomach and scares the bejeezes out of me. She won't end the war she voted for and she has no workable ideas to turn around the depression or provide AFFORDABLE healthcare for the average American/family.

McCain, a blithering idiot and an extremely bitter 71 years old, sees nuking Iran as a stepping stone to his goal of leading WWlll against China and Southeast Asia as payback for how he suffered in the Vietnam. He will most certainly be the last American President if elected.

[MARIS61]

Originally Posted by #10

Is there anyway to figure out if I'm registered as a Democrat or Independent? I forget which I chose, and seeing as it might actually matter now, it'd be nice to be able to vote in the Democrat's primary.

http://www.co.multnomah.or.us/dbcs/e...ion_info.shtml

[Hector]

Originally Posted by crandc

I am very disturbed by the fact that Clinton is pretty much openly saying she'd rather see McCain as president than Obama.

You dislike all conspiracy theories, yet you're a sucker for rumors like that? Where on Earth did you read that? Link?