[barfo]

hmm, seem to have been caught in a time warp.
Nothing to see in this post.

barfo

[It's_GO_Time]

I'm surprised more posters aren't disturbed with the fact Obama attended this church for 20 years.

I get the idea of not holding someone responsible for what others say . . . the guilt by association is not always fair. But this is a church (I would think potentially one of the more influencial parts of one's life) in which Obama listened to this pastor preach every week for 10-20 years (don't know if he attended for 20 years "religiously"). How could these thought we have heard about not in some way come out (we know he has very strong feeling about the topic, to put it mildly).

My personal thoughts are that these thought came out frequently (in a milder form) and I'm concerned after hearing someone you admire, preach the unfair treatment of the black community, that it gets ingrained in your head. This is a chat board so I will just say what I think, I wouldn't be surprised if Obama (off the record)agreed with a lot of what the reverand praeches about this unfair treatment of black Americans.

My issue is if he has some of these beliefs, will that change the way he conducts himself as a president. I don't think he shares the idea of "god damn America" or that we live in the "US KKKA" . . . and as someone responded to me, who doesn't believe what the pastor is saying on some level. So maybe all this is irrelavent to what kind of president Obama will be.

But I don't think many people know much about Obama, so why are posters willing to discard this piece of information so fast? At the very least, one should stop and consider that maybe Obama has been influence by his friend and pastor of 20 years . . . it's possible right?

And if it is possible, the least thing I think the country needs is a president with a chip on his shoulder. Heck we just got done with a president who pretends to be a president of the people when he really is a president for the rich, and look what happened in 8 years.

What happens with a president with a chip on his shoulder . . . he declares war on the suburbs? : )

[barfo]

Originally Posted by Kiss_My_Darius

I'm surprised more posters aren't disturbed with the fact Obama attended this church for 20 years.

I get the idea of not holding someone responsible for what others say . . . the guilt by association is not always fair. But this is a church (I would think potentially one of the more influencial parts of one's life) in which Obama listened to this pastor preach every week for 10-20 years (don't know if he attended for 20 years "religiously"). How could these thought we have heard about not in some way come out (we know he has very strong feeling about the topic, to put it mildly).

My personal thoughts are that these thought came out frequently (in a milder form) and I'm concerned after hearing someone you admire, preach the unfair treatment of the black community, that it gets ingrained in your head. This is a chat board so I will just say what I think, I wouldn't be surprised if Obama (off the record)agreed with a lot of what the reverand praeches about this unfair treatment of black Americans.

My issue is if he has some of these beliefs, will that change the way he conducts himself as a president. I don't think he shares the idea of "god damn America" or that we live in the "US KKKA" . . . and as someone responded to me, who doesn't believe what the pastor is saying on some level. So maybe all this is irrelavent to what kind of president Obama will be.

But I don't think many people know much about Obama, so why are posters willing to discard this piece of information so fast? At the very least, one should stop and consider that maybe Obama has been influence by his friend and pastor of 20 years . . . it's possible right?

And if it is possible, the least thing I think the country needs is a president with a chip on his shoulder. Heck we just got done with a president who pretends to be a president of the people when he really is a president for the rich, and look what happened in 8 years.

What happens with a president with a chip on his shoulder . . . he declares war on the suburbs? : )

Obama declaring war on white people is about as likely as Hillary declaring war on men or McCain declaring war on young people.

The question isn't why this piece of information is being discarded. It's been the main topic of the race for the past few weeks.

The question is why, if people don't know much about a candidate, they don't educate themselves about him (or her), instead of inflating the importance of the one or two bits of information that they've heard.

barfo

[Talkhard]

Originally Posted by Kiss_My_Darius

I wouldn't be surprised if Obama (off the record)agreed with a lot of what the reverand praeches about this unfair treatment of black Americans.

Of course he does. It defies logic and common sense to think that Obama would attend a church for 20 years if he disagreed with his pastor's viewpoint on the world. If Bush had been attending a white church for 20 years where the pastor repeatedly slammed black people, the liberals would be all over him for it. It would be a scandal, an outrage, and an offense against all Americans (I can hear them now!). But since a liberal got caught doing the same thing, they are defending him to the hilt.

why are posters willing to discard this piece of information so fast?

Obama is a black liberal who wants to make fundamental changes in this country and address the "wrongs" and "grievances" that the Left has been clamoring about forever and ever. Of course they're going to do anything to defend him and turn a blind eye to his relationship with his church.

[HB]

this thread is still going? I dont see anyone banging down Oprah's doors about Reverend Wright

[maxiep]

Originally Posted by HB

this thread is still going? I dont see anyone banging down Oprah's doors about Reverend Wright

That's because she left the church when she decided she didn't like what she was hearing from the honorable Reverend Wright. In other words, Oprah showed more intestinal fortitude than the member of that church running for president.

[dudleysghost]

Originally Posted by Kiss_My_Darius

I'm surprised more posters aren't disturbed with the fact Obama attended this church for 20 years.

I get the idea of not holding someone responsible for what others say . . . the guilt by association is not always fair. But this is a church (I would think potentially one of the more influencial parts of one's life) in which Obama listened to this pastor preach every week for 10-20 years (don't know if he attended for 20 years "religiously"). How could these thought we have heard about not in some way come out (we know he has very strong feeling about the topic, to put it mildly).

My personal thoughts are that these thought came out frequently (in a milder form) and I'm concerned after hearing someone you admire, preach the unfair treatment of the black community, that it gets ingrained in your head. This is a chat board so I will just say what I think, I wouldn't be surprised if Obama (off the record)agreed with a lot of what the reverand praeches about this unfair treatment of black Americans.

My issue is if he has some of these beliefs, will that change the way he conducts himself as a president. I don't think he shares the idea of "god damn America" or that we live in the "US KKKA" . . . and as someone responded to me, who doesn't believe what the pastor is saying on some level. So maybe all this is irrelavent to what kind of president Obama will be.

But I don't think many people know much about Obama, so why are posters willing to discard this piece of information so fast? At the very least, one should stop and consider that maybe Obama has been influence by his friend and pastor of 20 years . . . it's possible right?

And if it is possible, the least thing I think the country needs is a president with a chip on his shoulder. Heck we just got done with a president who pretends to be a president of the people when he really is a president for the rich, and look what happened in 8 years.

What happens with a president with a chip on his shoulder . . . he declares war on the suburbs? : )

I'm not worried about it even a little bit, because Obama has been very vocal about his own attitudes about race and division, for a number of years and in two books, and his attitude is nothing at all like Rev Wright's. It's been basically the opposite, which is why we heard a lot of "he's not black enough" type comments when he first announced his run for president.

I think that deserves recognition. I think it can be meaningful when we find out politicians have wingnut friends and associates, but you have to consider the big picture. Senator Obama has stood against the ideology of Rev Wright. That's his whole thing, and he's been expansive and descriptive enough in his statements about what he means by "unity" that I think we can be confident in his sincerity on the matter ... unless you are Talkhard.

[It's_GO_Time]

Originally Posted by dudleysghost

I'm not worried about it even a little bit, because Obama has been very vocal about his own attitudes about race and division, for a number of years and in two books, and his attitude is nothing at all like Rev Wright's. It's been basically the opposite, which is why we heard a lot of "he's not black enough" type comments when he first announced his run for president.

I think that deserves recognition. I think it can be meaningful when we find out politicians have wingnut friends and associates, but you have to consider the big picture. Senator Obama has stood against the ideology of Rev Wright. That's his whole thing, and he's been expansive and descriptive enough in his statements about what he means by "unity" that I think we can be confident in his sincerity on the matter ... unless you are Talkhard.

I guess I take the approach of maxiep . . . I feel politicians will say about anything to further thier career (I think you were infering that max by saying Obama is just another politician).

So I'm sure he has said many things and taken a public stance that goes against what the pastor is preaching. But do action speak louder than words? . . . and maybe he has taken some action to demonstrate his commitment to unifying the country, but I haven't heard (and was hoping to) the media parade his resume around concerning this issue.

If I had time, I would probably read his book, but the reality is I'm one measly vote and will end up making my best guess on who to vote for based on the little time I have to research the issue.

[HB]

Originally Posted by maxiep

That's because she left the church when she decided she didn't like what she was hearing from the honorable Reverend Wright. In other words, Oprah showed more intestinal fortitude than the member of that church running for president.

Last I checked, she is still a member of the church. Do you have proof otherwise?

[dudleysghost]

Originally Posted by Kiss_My_Darius

I guess I take the approach of maxiep . . . I feel politicians will say about anything to further thier career (I think you were infering that max by saying Obama is just another politician).

So I'm sure he has said many things and taken a public stance that goes against what the pastor is preaching. But do action speak louder than words? . . . and maybe he has taken some action to demonstrate his commitment to unifying the country, but I haven't heard (and was hoping to) the media parade his resume around concerning this issue.

If I had time, I would probably read his book, but the reality is I'm one measly vote and will end up making my best guess on who to vote for based on the little time I have to research the issue.

I'm also skeptical of politicians, but within reason. If a guy makes a topic the central theme of all his campaigns and two books (those are actions, by the way), I tend to believe it's not an act, because it's hard to maintain a lie over a long period of time. If a guy goes into great informative reasonable-sounding detail about why he holds a certain position, I also tend to believe it's not an act, because it's hard to be so descriptive about a lie or an insincere belief.

If you want a fairly concise answer, read the text of his speech responding to the accusations, and know (if you will take my word for it) that it isn't qualitatively different than what he's been saying for years. Skepticism is fine and generally healthy, but if it isn't affected by context and other factors, then it only will serve to confuse rather than inform you.

[maxiep]

Originally Posted by HB

Last I checked, she is still a member of the church. Do you have proof otherwise?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...church+%2Bleft

[blazerboy30]

Originally Posted by Kiss_My_Darius

I'm surprised more posters aren't disturbed with the fact Obama attended this church for 20 years.

I get the idea of not holding someone responsible for what others say . . . the guilt by association is not always fair. But this is a church (I would think potentially one of the more influencial parts of one's life) in which Obama listened to this pastor preach every week for 10-20 years (don't know if he attended for 20 years "religiously"). How could these thought we have heard about not in some way come out (we know he has very strong feeling about the topic, to put it mildly).

My personal thoughts are that these thought came out frequently (in a milder form) and I'm concerned after hearing someone you admire, preach the unfair treatment of the black community, that it gets ingrained in your head. This is a chat board so I will just say what I think, I wouldn't be surprised if Obama (off the record)agreed with a lot of what the reverand praeches about this unfair treatment of black Americans.

My issue is if he has some of these beliefs, will that change the way he conducts himself as a president. I don't think he shares the idea of "god damn America" or that we live in the "US KKKA" . . . and as someone responded to me, who doesn't believe what the pastor is saying on some level. So maybe all this is irrelavent to what kind of president Obama will be.

But I don't think many people know much about Obama, so why are posters willing to discard this piece of information so fast? At the very least, one should stop and consider that maybe Obama has been influence by his friend and pastor of 20 years . . . it's possible right?

And if it is possible, the least thing I think the country needs is a president with a chip on his shoulder. Heck we just got done with a president who pretends to be a president of the people when he really is a president for the rich, and look what happened in 8 years.

What happens with a president with a chip on his shoulder . . . he declares war on the suburbs? : )

The most interesting and telling point from all of this is the views of those who had not already made up their mind