[maxiep]

Originally Posted by STOMP

I think you're a smart solid poster and am glad you're on the Blazer board.

so there...

STOMP

Okay, now you're just freakin' me out!

[e_blazer1]

Hmmm. A new kinder and gentler STOMP.

That's gonna take some getting used to.

[mook]

Originally Posted by maxiep

The more interesting end game is whether or not she decides that her window is still open in 2012. If so, she's going to do her best to torpedo Sen. Obama, regardless of what she says. As for her being a VP, my impression is that she's not a missionary position kind of gal.

yeah, I have a hard time imagining Obama wanting Hillary as his Vice President. and Bill as his Vice Vice Vice President (Vice President to the Vice President, specializing in personal vices).

whether Hillary realizes it or not, her presidential career is over. by 2012 (assuming Obama loses this go around) she'll be 65, which is getting up there. and she's burned a lot of bridges just to get this far. I'm not even sure she'll get to Senate Majority Leader one day.

[Stepping Razor]

President Obama should appoint her to the Supreme Court.

[STOMP]

Originally Posted by mook

yeah, I have a hard time imagining Obama wanting Hillary as his Vice President.

on the upside, wouldn't that lower the chances of assassination pretty dramatically?

Originally Posted by Stepping Razor

President Obama should appoint her to the Supreme Court.

I've heard that floated before... it's worth exploring.

STOMP

[crandc]

I agree Clinton is trying to put the best face on it. Like a team down 0-3 in a 7 game series saying they still have a chance to win, technically true, but odds are not good.

A joint ticket would have been very strong, but in the last couple of months with the campaign getting both personal and nasty, I think it's out of the question. Obama is human, after all, one cannot blame him for not wanting on his ticket a person who did not simply run against him, that's politics, but who tried to destroy him, using totally unscrupulous tactics.

Clinton at 65 would still be 6 years younger than McCain is now, not too old, but she may have burned too many bridges, especially if she continues to attack or simply refuses to support Obama. If, and it's a very big if, she is seen as costing Obama the presidency she will be poison in her own party.

I don't see her as a Supreme Court justice, but I could see her being a very effective Cabinet member, say as Sec. of Health and Human Services.

If I were a betting woman I'd put my money on Senator Jim Webb as VP designate. He is older, white, Southern, highly decorated former military officer, served as assistant secretary of defense under Reagan, and Virginia is seen as a swing state. But then, I have no idea what the candidate himself is saying.

[MARIS61]

Hillary has no chance at ever being President. Her refusal to see the writing on the wall and her greed for personal power over the good of the party have pretty much destroyed her political future as far as being a significant player in National politics.

Obama would be a fool to attach her to his campaign and I would certainly vote outside the 2 party system if she is on the ticket in any way.

[It's_GO_Time]

If you are a male, you are aggressive.

If you are a female, you are delusional.

[Dornado]

Originally Posted by crandc

I agree Clinton is trying to put the best face on it. Like a team down 0-3 in a 7 game series saying they still have a chance to win, technically true, but odds are not good.

A joint ticket would have been very strong, but in the last couple of months with the campaign getting both personal and nasty, I think it's out of the question. Obama is human, after all, one cannot blame him for not wanting on his ticket a person who did not simply run against him, that's politics, but who tried to destroy him, using totally unscrupulous tactics.

Clinton at 65 would still be 6 years younger than McCain is now, not too old, but she may have burned too many bridges, especially if she continues to attack or simply refuses to support Obama. If, and it's a very big if, she is seen as costing Obama the presidency she will be poison in her own party.

I don't see her as a Supreme Court justice, but I could see her being a very effective Cabinet member, say as Sec. of Health and Human Services.

If I were a betting woman I'd put my money on Senator Jim Webb as VP designate. He is older, white, Southern, highly decorated former military officer, served as assistant secretary of defense under Reagan, and Virginia is seen as a swing state. But then, I have no idea what the candidate himself is saying.

Webb would have some explaining to do to Obama about his anti-affirmative action stance...

[sa1177]

Originally Posted by Dornado

Webb would have some explaining to do to Obama about his anti-affirmative action stance...

Stances change very quickly when you are offered the Vice Presidency, but it would certainly be interesting to hear that conversation.

[crandc]

Actually I think Webb's support for retroactive immunity for telecoms is more of a problem since it's recent. Positions he held a decade ago are less of an issue, he could say he evolved.

In fact, Democrats I know are handicapping the race for VP and right now all of them have an "on the one hand, on the other hand". With Webb it is telecom immunity. Wesley Clark is also older, white, Southern, solid military credentials, led a war seen as a success, but he's too close to the Clintons. Kathleen Sibelius is governor of a heartland "red" state, but a relative unknown. Bill Richardson reportedly wants the job, but after every president and vice president in American history has been white and male, having a ticket of a Black man and a Hispanic would be considered "unbalanced". John Edwards appeals to the blue collar white voters, but does he want to run for VP again (he is still pretty young, though.

However, I have no doubt there are some people getting well paid to decide exactly that question.

[SodaPopinski]

Actaully a lot of people are saying Oregon could be the final state in the race for the candidacy. West Virginia and Kentucky will likely go Clinton's way based on their demographics (a lot of rural, non-college-educated democrats). Oregon, however, is decidedly in Obama's camp. Most political pundits believe that Clinton, if she's not done already, will certainly be done after Oregon.

I guess it would be kind of cool to have that sort of media attention on Oregon as the final destination in a long campaign for the democratic nomination.

-Pop

[Dan]

Originally Posted by SodaPopinski

Actaully a lot of people are saying Oregon could be the final state in the race for the candidacy. West Virginia and Kentucky will likely go Clinton's way based on their demographics (a lot of rural, non-college-educated democrats). Oregon, however, is decidedly in Obama's camp. Most political pundits believe that Clinton, if she's not done already, will certainly be done after Oregon.

I guess it would be kind of cool to have that sort of media attention on Oregon as the final destination in a long campaign for the democratic nomination.

-Pop

I flipped on Faux News last night, and they had Rove on the show (some balanced expert). They had maps of the US, and when it was Clinton/McCain he had Clinton winning more states and electorates....and had Oregon and Washington being "toss up".

If it was Obama/McCain, he had it so McCain won more and Oregon had Obama.

But this was spinster Karl, so..