[STOMP]

Originally Posted by e_blazer1

Conservative hate machine media? No. Some anti-Obama websites and e-mails by some misguided jerks who may call themselves conservatives; sure. The internet has become a political force for disinformation by all sorts of nutjobs, which is why it's incumbent upon candidates to get out and present their message to as many people as possible. Obama wrote off West Virginia and Kentucky and barely campaigned in either state.

People vote for (and against) candidates for all kinds of reasons. We'd like to think that our democratic process was one where informed voters make decisions to vote for candidates that most represent their views. That's true for a lot of people, but it's also true that people make decisions for reasons of hate and prejudice and that they often vote in ignorance. That's just an unfortunate but inherent part of an open election process.

are you really this oblivious to the stuff that FOX has repeatedly put out there?

Fox isn't some fringe website. It's on the public airwaves that beam into the homes of Americans for free. Poor people like those in West Virginia and Kentucky don't always have a computer with the internet in their homes, but you will almost always find a TV there. I don't think it's a coincidence that we're hearing the same sort of stuff on the 3 Fox links I've provided being echoed by the voters of Kentucky in this threads original link... I also can't say I'm surprised that you're acting like you've no idea this has been going on and it's all his fault.

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[e_blazer1]

Originally Posted by STOMP

are you really this oblivious to the stuff that FOX has repeatedly put out there?

Fox isn't some fringe website. It's on the public airwaves that beam into the homes of Americans for free. Poor people like those in West Virginia and Kentucky don't always have a computer with the internet in their homes, but you will almost always find a TV there. I don't think it's a coincidence that we're hearing the same sort of stuff on the 3 Fox links I've provided being echoed by the voters of Kentucky in this threads original link... I also can't say I'm surprised that you're acting like you've no idea this has been going on and it's all his fault.

STOMP

Are you really so politically obtuse that you don't know the difference between a hatchet job propaganda piece on youtube and reality? Many of those clips in that video are taken out of context. Some are views expressed by guest commentators where another guest, conveniently not shown in the video, expressed countervaling opinions. And do you think someone would have a difficult time puting together a similar piece with snippets taken from the good folks at MSNBC?

[Ed O]

Originally Posted by STOMP

Fox isn't some fringe website. It's on the public airwaves that beam into the homes of Americans for free.

#1: Isn't most of that Fox News, rather than Fox the broadcast network?
#2: I don't find those videos clips particularly odious, in spite of the fancy editing and ominous music.

I'm not arguing against the ignorance of the people in those clips... it's sad. But a "conservative hate machine media" that causes that kind of ignorance? Please.

Ed O.

[STOMP]

Originally Posted by e_blazer1

Are you really so politically obtuse that you don't know the difference between a hatchet job propaganda piece on youtube and reality? Many of those clips in that video are taken out of context. Some are views expressed by guest commentators where another guest, conveniently not shown in the video, expressed countervaling opinions. And do you think someone would have a difficult time puting together a similar piece with snippets taken from the good folks at MSNBC?

yeah those are just clips of much longer pieces. I saw some of those in their full broadcasts including the one where they investigated Obama's "Muslim" school. It was not taken out of context at all. Sorry to disappoint you. Here's CNN calling out FOX for this crap though I'm sure you'll still claim that Kentucky voters thinking he was a Muslim was Obamas fault.

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[maxiep]

Originally Posted by STOMP

yeah those are just clips of much longer pieces. I saw some of those in their full broadcasts including the one where they investigated Obama's "Muslim" school. It was not taken out of context at all. Sorry to disappoint you. Here's CNN calling out FOX for this crap though I'm sure you'll still claim that Kentucky voters thinking he was a Muslim was Obamas fault.

STOMP

Oh no! One competitor calling out another? What next? A taste test between Coke and Pepsi?

Blame FOX all you want, and believe them to be the source of all of Sen. Obama's problems. I choose to believe what problems he has are of his own making. If he can't defend himself from a cable network, then I question his ability to defend this country from much more serious attacks.

[Dornado]

If you can't see that Fox News has an agenda you aren't looking or are intentionally closing your eyes to fit a particular side of an argument.

[STOMP]

Originally Posted by Ed O

#1: Isn't most of that Fox News, rather than Fox the broadcast network?

good point

#2: I don't find those videos clips particularly odious, in spite of the fancy editing and ominous music.

I'm not arguing against the ignorance of the people in those clips... it's sad. But a "conservative hate machine media" that causes that kind of ignorance? Please.

can't say I agree with you at all here. There is a pretty set progression for getting this sort of nonsense into the main stream press. Far right wing website/mag throws out BS... FOX News (often accompanied by ominous music) and the other parts of Rupert's media empire start hammering it... mainstream media picks up the story. This has happened more then a few times... more then enough to have established a pattern.

STOMP

[STOMP]

Originally Posted by maxiep

Oh no! One competitor calling out another? What next? A taste test between Coke and Pepsi?

Blame FOX all you want, and believe them to be the source of all of Sen. Obama's problems. I choose to believe what problems he has are of his own making. If he can't defend himself from a cable network, then I question his ability to defend this country from much more serious attacks.

So you choose to believe that Obama put out stories that he's a secret Muslim so as to fool the voters of rural Kentucky??? I'm thinking it was from the false TV, print, and internet reports and that crap didn't originate from his campaign. But what do I know...

STOMP

[maxiep]

Originally Posted by Dornado

If you can't see that Fox News has an agenda you aren't looking or are intentionally closing your eyes to fit a particular side of an argument.

And MSNBC is even worse on the opposite end of the spectrum. One of their hired commentators, who was supposedly representing the "conservative" viewpoint was Linda Douglass. The problem is she just left her job at the National Review and became the spokesperson for the Obama For President campaign. Eugene Robinson is Obama-apologist #1; read his columns in the Washington Post. Rachel Maddow and Ed Schultz are the equivalent of Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh, yet they're presented as neutral. Chris Matthews has been quoted as saying that shivers run up his leg when he hears Sen. Obama speak. Keith Olbermann makes Sean Hannity look impartial. Yet MSNBC is somehow completely unbiased. It's FOX who is evil.

And if you look at all those reports from the montage, what was the worst accusation? That he attended a madrassa? That's how the school described itself when he attended it. And it's not a naughty word--it's akin to a Muslim parochial school. I have several friends who were educated at madrassas; I also know people educated at Jesuit High--there's not much difference.

As for FOX digging up dirt on Obama and trying to paint him as a Muslim, I'd point you to the original report: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,245582,00.html

It appears that someone else--a Democrat no less--brought it up. So is Hillary Clinton now a sock puppet for FOX news?

I hate to tell you this, but the other statements are true:

He does smoke (or he did and quit).

His middle name is Hussein.

He doesn't wish to express patriotism in the ways that others find comforting.

He has a left-leaning voting record.

His father is African.

His pastor did make statements many people found offensive. Sen. Obama knew all about them, but remained mute until they became politically damaging for him.

There is a "mania" surrounding his candidacy. People have fainted at his rallies. People are excited about his campaign.

Seriously, these are all parts of who he is. Why should they be considered "attacks" if they're true? Many people that are uncomfortable with Sen. Obama feel that they don't know him or that he's hiding who he really is. For better or worse, people feel they know Sen. McCain or Sen. Clinton.

[maxiep]

Originally Posted by STOMP

So you choose to believe that Obama put out stories that he's a secret Muslim so as to fool the voters of rural Kentucky??? I'm thinking it was from the false TV, print, and internet reports and that crap didn't originate from his campaign. But what do I know...

STOMP

Do I really have to explain this to you? Things are said about candidates all the time, with varying degrees of veracity. For example, before this campaign, when did you hear the "Bush-McCain Economic Policies"? Before this campaign who ever called Hillary Clinton a racist? Sen. McCain has been accused of being a North Vietnamese collaborator and Sen. Clinton has been accused of being a closet lesbian. Few believe the charges, BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN REFUTED.

When accusations are made, it is the candidate's responsibility to refute them. The problem Sen. Obama has is that when he declares his Christianity, he has to wrap himself in his church--which his good Reverend Wright has poisoned for him.

The bottom line is that I haven't seen the media so in the bag for one candidate in my lifetime. I've seen both CNN and MSNBC take great pains to ridicule the idea that Sen. Obama is a Muslim, as have the three major news networks. Do you really believe that those FIVE channels (ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC & NBC) haven't penetrated markets that FOX has? That's a brave position to hold.

[Dornado]

Originally Posted by maxiep

And MSNBC is even worse on the opposite end of the spectrum. One of their hired commentators, who was supposedly representing the "conservative" viewpoint was Linda Douglass. The problem is she just left her job at the National Review and became the spokesperson for the Obama For President campaign. Eugene Robinson is Obama-apologist #1; read his columns in the Washington Post. Rachel Maddow and Ed Schultz are the equivalent of Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh, yet they're presented as neutral.

The National Review? Try the National Journal. http://www.nationaljournal.com/onair/douglass.htm
Do you have anything showing that she was brought on to be a "conservative voice"?

And I'm sorry... I can't really take you on your word that they portray Maddow and Schulz as neutrals... "Air America Host" is really the only term used to describe Maddow that I could find in transcripts... and she's put on a panel with Joe Scarborough for their election coverage... on the situation room with Tucker Carlson she's paired with Jay Severin... I don't think they're really hiding the political leanings of any of these people.

[HB]

Rachel Maddow and Ed Schultz are the equivalent of Hannity and Rush Limbaugh? thats hilarious

Schutlz I can see, but Maddow tries to keep her biases aside whenever she is on MSNBC. Matter of fact many a times I have wondered if she was a Republican in disguise