[HB]

Remember on this same board I said MSNBC is the most liberal station out there. Its pretty much a given that MSNBC is to democrats as Fox News is to the GOP. MSNBC are direct competitors with Fox News, their hosts even take shots at Fox News gleefully. Regarding the Bobby Kennedy thing, I think it was smart that the media didnt obsess over it. Its just not a good conversation to talk about, you dont want to put that topic out there with all the loons that might be watching.

I dont know about the media going as far as to equate Hagee with Rev. Wright but I do find it funny that the right wing thinks that just because Obama spent 20 years in Wright's church means that Hagee and the other hate preachers shouldnt be focused on. Two wrongs dont make a right (no pun intended). I certainly dont think the coverage on Hagee and Parsley have been anything close to the way Wright was all over the place.

Regarding your last question, I think you are seriously underestimating how much of a free pass the media has given Mccain. The man also has some questionable associations that no one is talking about. He just like Obama has benefitted from the media in certain situations

[blazerboy30]

What is it called when Obama has 59% of black democratic votes, while hillary only has 31%?

In SC, 78% of black democrats voted for Obama.

No prejudice there?

[Ed O]

Originally Posted by HB

Regarding your last question, I think you are seriously underestimating how much of a free pass the media has given Mccain. The man also has some questionable associations that no one is talking about. He just like Obama has benefitted from the media in certain situations

A difference would be, of course, that McCain has a long voting record in the US Senate that establishes a history.

Now... that history is not altogether good from anyone's perspective, but it seems to me that attacking McCain on his record and Obama on something other than his record (given the relative brevity of his career) is reasonable.

Ed O.

[maxiep]

Originally Posted by HB

Remember on this same board I said MSNBC is the most liberal station out there. Its pretty much a given that MSNBC is to democrats as Fox News is to the GOP. MSNBC are direct competitors with Fox News, their hosts even take shots at Fox News gleefully. Regarding the Bobby Kennedy thing, I think it was smart that the media didnt obsess over it. Its just not a good conversation to talk about, you dont want to put that topic out there with all the loons that might be watching.

I'm glad we agree about MSNBC. Too often, it's FOX that's viewed as being the only channel out there that takes an unbiased viewpoint. As for Sen. Clinton's quote, I have to take issue with the media not obsessing over it--that quote was like sharks on chum.

Originally Posted by HB

I dont know about the media going as far as to equate Hagee with Rev. Wright but I do find it funny that the right wing thinks that just because Obama spent 20 years in Wright's church means that Hagee and the other hate preachers shouldnt be focused on. Two wrongs dont make a right (no pun intended). I certainly dont think the coverage on Hagee and Parsley have been anything close to the way Wright was all over the place.

Every single other network (including Alan Colmes on FOX) tried to equate Rev. Hagee with Rev. Wright. It now even has a term: The Reverend Problem. The problem was that the networks couldn't make it stick.

As for whether or not they should be focused on, it's not what they say, it's what their relationship was with the candidates. If Sen. McCain or Sen. Clinton would have been sitting in the pews of those churches for 20 years, I would have wanted to know about it. I think we can all agree that what Rev. Wright said likely had a larger impact on Sen. Obama than what Rev. Hagee said had on Sen. McCain, simply due to the closeness of their relationship.

Originally Posted by HB

Regarding your last question, I think you are seriously underestimating how much of a free pass the media has given Mccain. The man also has some questionable associations that no one is talking about. He just like Obama has benefitted from the media in certain situations

There's a difference between getting a free pass and being ignored. Right now, Sen. Clinton is getting more air time than Sen. McCain.

[HB]

Originally Posted by maxiep

There's a difference between getting a free pass and being ignored. Right now, Sen. Clinton is getting more air time than Sen. McCain.

Well this one is easy. The Republican process was wrapped up ages ago. The Democrats have been embroiled in a pretty interesting matchup for a while now, and still isn't over. Its prime time TV, once Obama gets the nomination, the attention will focus more on the general election.

Really whats to report on Mccain as of now, even Fox News is having a hard time making him relevant. I personally think Mccain has made a huge mistake not capitalizing on all the off time he has had so far.

[maxiep]

Originally Posted by HB

Well this one is easy. The Republican process was wrapped up ages ago. The Democrats have been embroiled in a pretty interesting matchup for a while now, and still isn't over. Its prime time TV, once Obama gets the nomination, the attention will focus more on the general election.

Really whats to report on Mccain as of now, even Fox News is having a hard time making him relevant. I personally think Mccain has made a huge mistake not capitalizing on all the off time he has had so far.

Then we agree that he's not being covered and ignored because there are other items of interest rather than not being challenged by the media.

[DaRizzle]

"You cant be muslim AND a good American"...In other news Japanese people are all plotting against America even if they were born here.

I was born into a Muslim family, I must hate America....I was not aware of this, Ill get right on it

[STOMP]

Originally Posted by maxiep

The bottom line is that I haven't seen the media so in the bag for one candidate in my lifetime. I've seen both CNN and MSNBC take great pains to ridicule the idea that Sen. Obama is a Muslim, as have the three major news networks. Do you really believe that those FIVE channels (ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC & NBC) haven't penetrated markets that FOX has? That's a brave position to hold.

others have pointed out how you are ridiculously stretching matters here with the in the bag comment given how voracious the entire main stream press was in reporting the Rev. Wright crap. How long did that soap opera last? And please remind me of what utterly fictional attack nonsense those other 5 networks have floated that equate to Fox's many reports on Barack being a secret muslim? Geez did you catch my first link where their commentator (Liz Trotter) jokes about us assassinating him and then cruises along like that is in any way OK? MSNBC's calling card seems to be responding to FOX's nonsense and is definitely left leaning but I don't see them as nearly as nasty as FOX. The others trod the middle ground and generally pump the race for all the ratings they can garner often perpetuating the Fox narrative. I hardly think thats a bold stance to hold of what the coverage is like.

STOMP

[e_blazer1]

Originally Posted by DaRizzle

"You cant be muslim AND a good American"...

No, no. You've got that wrong. It's "You can't be a Laker fan AND a good American"

Try to keep up, DaRizzle.

[DaRizzle]

And dirka Lakers dirka jihad muhammad to you too

[maxiep]

Originally Posted by STOMP

others have pointed out how you are ridiculously stretching matters here with the in the bag comment given how voracious the entire main stream press was in reporting the Rev. Wright crap. How long did that soap opera last? And please remind me of what utterly fictional attack nonsense those other 5 networks have floated that equate to Fox's many reports on Barack being a secret muslim? Geez did you catch my first link where their commentator (Liz Trotter) jokes about us assassinating him and then cruises along like that is in any way OK? MSNBC's calling card seems to be responding to FOX's nonsense and is definitely left leaning but I don't see them as nearly as nasty as FOX. The others trod the middle ground and generally pump the race for all the ratings they can garner often perpetuating the Fox narrative. I hardly think thats a bold stance to hold of what the coverage is like.

STOMP

I'm used to being in the minority in here. It doesn't mean that I'm wrong.

I seemed to have missed the direct accusation that Sen. Obama is a "secret muslim"--please provide a link where it's specifically stated. I've seen them say he was educated at a madrassa (forwarded by Sen. Clinton's campaign), I've seen them use his middle name, I've seen them mention that his father is muslim. None of those are false. I've also seen them tie Sen. Obama to a Christian church and I've seen them specifically explain that he's NOT a muslim.

You seem to be greatly impressed by FOX's power. According to you the other five news networks collectively pale in comparison. That's a pretty impressive achievement.

[maxiep]

Originally Posted by DaRizzle

And dirka Lakers dirka jihad muhammad to you too

Insofar as my criteria go, I would root for the Al Qaeda All-Stars over the L*kers.