[Dornado]

Originally Posted by blazerboy30

OK... How about his tax policy?

well, I was trying to make a larger point regarding the discussion with Maxiep.. but...

Here's a start

[blazerboy30]

Originally Posted by Dornado

well, I was trying to make a larger point regarding the discussion with Maxiep.. but...

Here's a start

That may be a start, but there is no content there, and exactly proves my point. And it fits very well with with Maxiep has been saying. He talks about "fair" and "dreams", but doesn't really give any concrete policy.

What about him pledging he will not raise a single tax on people making less than $200k? He wants to raise capital gains taxes, is that not a tax? He's talked about raising the SS cap. Is that not a tax?

I'm sure you see the point here. Nobody really knows what his tax policy is.


PS: Him spewing this garbage about it being "fair" is really annoying. Didn't his parents ever tell him that life isn't fair?

[It's_GO_Time]

Originally Posted by blazerboy30

PS: Him spewing this garbage about it being "fair" is really annoying. Didn't his parents ever tell him that life isn't fair?

By the time Obama is done with his presidential terms, parents will be preaching to their kids that life is fair . . . or at least the government is.

[blazerboy30]

Originally Posted by It's_GO_Time

By the time Obama is done with his presidential terms, parents will be preaching to their kids that life is fair . . . or at least the government is.

haha. That is only true if the parents believe that socialism is fair.

[Dornado]

Originally Posted by blazerboy30

That may be a start, but there is no content there, and exactly proves my point. And it fits very well with with Maxiep has been saying. He talks about "fair" and "dreams", but doesn't really give any concrete policy.

What about him pledging he will not raise a single tax on people making less than $200k? He wants to raise capital gains taxes, is that not a tax? He's talked about raising the SS cap. Is that not a tax?

So you read paragraphs like

"I'd reward work by providing an income tax cut of up to $500 per person -- or $1,000 for each working family -- to offset the payroll tax that they're already paying," he said.

"Because this credit would be greater than their income tax bill, my proposal would effectively eliminate all income taxes for 10 million working Americans."

Obama also said he would repeal the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest 1 percent of Americans.

and skim over them for the parts where he's talking about equality and fairness? Here I thought he was talking about his tax policy...

Regarding what he said about raising taxes, I'd have to see the actual quote... obviously the capital gains tax is a different animal than the payroll tax or income tax. Either way, it would seem to me he's talking policy and not just farting out platitudes about fairness.

[blazerboy30]

Originally Posted by Dornado

So you read paragraphs like

and skim over them for the parts where he's talking about equality and fairness? Here I thought he was talking about his tax policy...

Maybe that is why you are an Obama supporter and I'm not. Saying there will be up to a $1000 credit means nothing. What is the basis for this? Is the "fair" thing to have 10 million Americans paying no income tax?

He says he will repeal Bush's tax cuts for the wealthiest 1%. Well, the capital gain's tax would affect about 50% of Americans (if I remember the figure correctly). Does this sound like he is only affecting the top 1%? These are platitudes, and promises he can't and won't keep.

Originally Posted by Dornado

Regarding what he said about raising taxes, I'd have to see the actual quote... obviously the capital gains tax is a different animal than the payroll tax or income tax.

Enjoy...

STEPHANOPOULOS: Senator Clinton, two-part question. Two-part question. Can you make an absolute "read my lips" pledge, that there will be no tax increases of any kind, for anyone earning under $200,000 a year? And if the economy is as weak a year from now, as it is today, will you continue -- will you persist in your plans to roll back the President Bush's tax cuts for wealthier Americans?

...

STEPHANOPOULOS: Would you take the same pledge?

STEPHANOPOULOS: An absolute commitment, no middle-class tax increases of any kind?

OBAMA: Well, I not only have pledged not to raise their taxes, I've been the first candidate in this race to specifically say I would cut their taxes.

...

GIBSON: All right. You have, however, said you would favor an increase in the capital gains tax. As a matter of fact, you said on CNBC, and I quote, "I certainly would not go above what existed under Bill Clinton," which was 28 percent. It's now 15 percent. That's almost a doubling, if you went to 28 percent.

But actually, Bill Clinton, in 1997, signed legislation that dropped the capital gains tax to 20 percent.

OBAMA: Right.

...

OBAMA: Well, Charlie, I just have to respond real quickly to Senator Clinton's last comment. What I have proposed is that we raise the cap on the payroll tax because millionaires and billionaires don't have to pay beyond $97,000 a year. That is where it is capped. Now, most firefighters, most teachers, you know, they're not making over $100,000 a year. In fact, only 6 percent of the population does.

REALLY? You can call that a tax policy? Come on. No tax raises of ANY kind... well, um, well, except for capital gains and SS.

Originally Posted by Dornado

Either way, it would seem to me he's talking policy and not just farting out platitudes about fairness.

Actually, his tax policy is completely based on farting out platitudes, fairness and principle without regard to its affect on the prosperity of the country.

GIBSON: And in each instance, when the rate dropped, revenues from the tax increased; the government took in more money. And in the 1980s, when the tax was increased to 28 percent, the revenues went down.

So why raise it at all, especially given the fact that 100 million people in this country own stock and would be affected?

OBAMA: Well, Charlie, what I've said is that I would look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness.

I'm not into having a president choose the warm-and-fuzzy garbage over the right decision for the prosperity of the entire country into the future.

[maxiep]

Originally Posted by Dornado

Okay... well, maybe you should be throwing out policy issues and we'll try to determine how Obama would react... seems to me we'd go right to the source and see what Obama says...

But when we do provide the information (even from what he said on the stump, which is what you initially said you wanted) you reply with:



So you're so certain about how he approaches issues that you'll ignore what he actually says... and yet you can't figure out how he'd react to policy issues... do you see how it looks like you're simply feigning objectivity here?

Forgive me for being frustrated, but you can't be this obtuse and really be attending law school, can you? I'm sorry you don't understand how I view Sen. Obama's thought process, but at some point I can't be held responsible for your lack of understanding. If you don't get it by now, trying once again is just throwing good server space after bad. I apologize for my tone, but your inability to understand what I'm writing has to do with your preconceptions of Sen. Obama, and there's nothing I can do about those.

[Dornado]

Originally Posted by maxiep

Forgive me for being frustrated, but you can't be this obtuse and really be attending law school, can you? I'm sorry you don't understand how I view Sen. Obama's thought process, but at some point I can't be held responsible for your lack of understanding. If you don't get it by now, trying once again is just throwing good server space after bad. I apologize for my tone, but your inability to understand what I'm writing has to do with your preconceptions of Sen. Obama, and there's nothing I can do about those.

Funny, I have the same frustrations with your preconceptions of Obama.

Save the insults, they do you a disservice as you're generally a pretty well tempered poster... they won't help anything and I'm pretty hard to offend.