[Dornado]

Originally Posted by MARIS61

From Wiki:

The meaning of the word professor (Latin: professor, person is professed to be an expert in some art or science, teacher of highest rank[1]) varies. In some English-speaking countries, it refers to a senior academic who holds a departmental chair, especially as head of the department, or a personal chair awarded specifically to that individual.
For example, in the United Kingdom and Australia it is a legal title conferred by a university denoting the highest academic rank, whereas in the United States, Brazil, Canada, Hong Kong, individuals often use the term professor as a polite form of address for any lecturer, or researcher employed by a college or university, regardless of rank. In some countries, e.g. Austria, France, Romania, Serbia, Poland and Italy, the term is an honorific applied also to secondary level teachers.

Professors are qualified experts who may do the following:

conduct lectures and seminars in their field of study (i.e., they "profess"), such as the basic fields of science, education, literature or the applied fields of engineering, music, medicine, law, or business;
perform advanced research in their fields.
provide pro bono community service, including consulting functions (such as advising government and nonprofit organizations);
teach campus-based or online courses with the help of instructional technology;
train young or new academics (graduate students).
The balance of these five classic fields of professorial tasks depends heavily on the institution, place (country), and time. For example, professors at highly research-oriented universities in the U.S. and all European universities are promoted primarily on the basis of their research achievements as well as their success in raising money from sources outside the university.

Thank you. At my Law School you call the person teaching in the front of the class "professor" regardless of the terms of their employment. If you're teaching at a university or post-graduate institution it is pretty much standard.

[Balian]

Originally Posted by MARIS61

From Wiki:

The meaning of the word professor (Latin: professor, person is professed to be an expert in some art or science, teacher of highest rank[1]) varies. In some English-speaking countries, it refers to a senior academic who holds a departmental chair, especially as head of the department, or a personal chair awarded specifically to that individual.
For example, in the United Kingdom and Australia it is a legal title conferred by a university denoting the highest academic rank, whereas in the United States, Brazil, Canada, Hong Kong, individuals often use the term professor as a polite form of address for any lecturer, or researcher employed by a college or university, regardless of rank. In some countries, e.g. Austria, France, Romania, Serbia, Poland and Italy, the term is an honorific applied also to secondary level teachers.

Professors are qualified experts who may do the following:

conduct lectures and seminars in their field of study (i.e., they "profess"), such as the basic fields of science, education, literature or the applied fields of engineering, music, medicine, law, or business;
perform advanced research in their fields.
provide pro bono community service, including consulting functions (such as advising government and nonprofit organizations);
teach campus-based or online courses with the help of instructional technology;
train young or new academics (graduate students).
The balance of these five classic fields of professorial tasks depends heavily on the institution, place (country), and time. For example, professors at highly research-oriented universities in the U.S. and all European universities are promoted primarily on the basis of their research achievements as well as their success in raising money from sources outside the university.

What was Obama's formal position again?

[Zybot]

Originally Posted by Balian

What was Obama's formal position again?

I don't know, missionary? Seriously dude, this debate is pretty silly and has way over run its course. Why don't you fight about one of the other 49.

[blazerboy30]

Originally Posted by barfo

That seems like a reasonable point of view.

It's not mine - I'd rather give the reins to a smart guy who is flexible and let him figure out what to do, because giving the reins to an inflexible guy, or a not-smart guy, seems to me like a prescription for disaster.

On the other hand, I'd also like to know exactly what he was going to do when elected. But I'm not sure that's really possible with any candidate.

barfo

Interesting stance, but not one that I share.

At my company, I have many brilliant, most likely genious level people... much smarter than I am. Would I ever consider handing (most of) them the reins to run a company, or even manage a group? HECK NO. I would definitely prefer to hand over the reins to somebody that has the experience, and can get good things done, even if they aren't the smartest person I could have put in that position.

If their management, leadership and plan implementation skills are similar, I agree with you that I would choose the smarter person. But I have seen way too many smart people, with great ideas that couldn't accomplish a single thing.

[Balian]

Originally Posted by Zybot

I don't know, missionary? Seriously dude, this debate is pretty silly and has way over run its course. Why don't you fight about one of the other 49.

Seriously, instead of replying with a non-answer, either don't reply or answer the question. If it had run its course, then don't reply. Why don't you bring up any other 49 items you objected to?

[Zybot]

Originally Posted by Balian

Seriously, instead of replying with a non-answer, either don't reply or answer the question. If it had run its course, then don't reply. Why don't you bring up any other 49 items you objected to?

You are asking what appears to be a rhetorical question. Why don't you answer it yourself, since you know the answer? You, are a broken record on this topic. If you want people out of the discussion who will call it as they see it, then I will gladly step aside. As for the other 49 items, does anyone know if the formal position of Obama's father was goathearder or was it caretaker of goats or was it some other position? Was he regarded as goatherder? See how silly it is?

[Balian]

Originally Posted by Zybot

You are asking what appears to be a rhetorical question. Why don't you answer it yourself, since you know the answer? You, are a broken record on this topic. If you want people out of the discussion who will call it as they see it, then I will gladly step aside. As for the other 49 items, does anyone know if the formal position of Obama's father was goathearder or was it caretaker of goats or was it some other position? Was he regarded as goatherder? See how silly it is?

If its a rhetorical question, you need not reply do you? I didn't know goat herder is a formal title or position in any African corporation or institution. Sorry, formal titles do not apply to native livelihoods in a 3rd world country unless it's officially recognized by the government in a document for tax purposes for the individual. I see how your analogy is silly.

As to the goat herder claim?

"Obama's life story is vastly different from the one he portrays. My point: if he will lie about his mother and father, what else is he lying about? Can we expect 'bimbo eruptions?'
"Fiction: Obama stated in his Convention speech: 'My father ... grew up herding goats.' The 'goat herder' claim has been repeated endlessly. It is a lie. Fact: Obama's grandfather, Hussein Onyango Obama was a prominent and wealthy farmer. His son, Obama's father, was a child of privilege, not privation. He was an outstanding student, not a herdsman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama%2C_Sr.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1189687/posts

[MARIS61]

Originally Posted by blazerboy30

Interesting stance, but not one that I share.

At my company, I have many brilliant, most likely genious level people... much smarter than I am. Would I ever consider handing (most of) them the reins to run a company, or even manage a group? HECK NO. I would definitely prefer to hand over the reins to somebody that has the experience, and can get good things done, even if they aren't the smartest person I could have put in that position.

Even if they had previously supported and continued to support moves that were driving your business into bankruptcy, destroying your public image, and causing your customers to die?

Not real astute businessmanship.

[maxiep]

Originally Posted by Zybot

You are asking what appears to be a rhetorical question. Why don't you answer it yourself, since you know the answer? You, are a broken record on this topic. If you want people out of the discussion who will call it as they see it, then I will gladly step aside. As for the other 49 items, does anyone know if the formal position of Obama's father was goathearder or was it caretaker of goats or was it some other position? Was he regarded as goatherder? See how silly it is?

I've tried to avoid this part of the thread as much as I could, but allow me take a shot at speaking for both sides.

I think Balian is saying that Sen. Obama claimed he was a professor of constitutional law at the U of C. He wasn't, he was a Senior Lecturer. Did he teach classes at the U of C? Yep. Was he a professor? No. It's a fine point, based on semantics, but he feels that Sen. Obama was misleading in his characterization.

Others are saying that if you stand in front of a law school class and teach a course, you're a professor. So, it's no big deal if he said he was a professor rather than he served as a professor. Some idiot in the PR office of the Law School tried to help him out, and just made matters worse.

Since I have a little bit of experience with this issue specificially, I can tell you that the difference is important to a small group of brilliant, unkempt, sleep-deprived, socially-maladjusted people wearing coffee-stained rumpled clothes with really bad breath between S. 51st and S. 63rd Streets near Lake Michigan. However, resume accuracy is important, and Balian felt that he was being misleading.

I really don't want to get dragged into this, I'm just trying to provide some clarity. Hopefully, I helped. I apologize if I haven't.

[Zybot]

Originally Posted by Balian

If its a rhetorical question, you need not reply do you?

Another rhetorical question, so I guess I won't reply.

Originally Posted by Balian

I didn't know goat herder is a formal title or position in any African corporation or institution. Sorry, formal titles do not apply to native livelihoods in a 3rd world country unless it's officially recognized by the government in a document for tax purposes for the individual.

Wow you sound like a professor! Oh i am sorry, lecturer...

Originally Posted by Balian

I see how your analogy is silly.

Now we are getting somewhere.

[Balian]

Originally Posted by Zybot

Another rhetorical question, so I guess I won't reply.

It was not a rhetorical question. I did expect an answer from you, not another snide remark.

Wow you sound like a professor! Oh i am sorry, lecturer...

Is that your best? ROFL.

Now we are getting somewhere.

I am glad you agreed that YOUR analogy is silly. Thanks for conceding.

[R-Star]

This is ridiculous. I have to go run some errands, I just hope I dont become bored enough later on today to come back to this thread. "Just because hes a guy who was teaching a class on a refular basis doesnt mean he was in fact a teacher. ****. You know when you dont have an argument against Obama? When you nit pick ridiculous **** like this to argue.

God. Talking with Balian is like conversing with a mentaly handicapped person. "But what is he? What did he say he was? No, you're wrong! Obama is a liar!" Enjoy your thread. You have made me miss debating with Talkhard, and I cant even believe I just said that.