[Dan]

Originally Posted by e_blazer1

It's interesting the way your brain works. It's like trying to connect the dots left on the pavement by a drunk on a pogostick.

A train wreck by obama isn't as bad as the nuclear blast that bush and mccain have in their back pocket.

[e_blazer1]

Originally Posted by Dan

A train wreck by obama isn't as bad as the nuclear blast that bush and mccain have in their back pocket.

Ah, well, I was hoping I was wrong about what you intended to say, because that's just nonsense. Guess I was right after all.

[Dan]

Originally Posted by e_blazer1

Ah, well, I was hoping I was wrong about what you intended to say, because that's just nonsense. Guess I was right after all.

You're telling me that the Rev Wright and Rev Whatever that idiots name is, is worse than the cluster**** that is the Iraq war, and it's impact on the economy?

[MARIS61]

Originally Posted by e_blazer1

Ah, well, I was hoping I was wrong about what you intended to say, because that's just nonsense. Guess I was right after all.

You've never listened to McCain speak about the strong probablility of using nuclear weapons? Before you vote for a madman, take a little time to read his speaches, examine his votes and the bills he has sponsored.

He's all about nuking Asia. Iraq is a mere stepping stone to his goal.

[zagsfan20]

Ummmm Pfleger was a guest speaker. He is the pastor at a Catholic church in Chicago. I'm not sure how a guest speaker, who works for a different church has anything to do with Obama.

[zagsfan20]

I don't see how this is going to hurt him politically at all. If a minor thing like what Pfleger said is going to sway someone one way or another, they didn't have any intentions of voting for him in the first place. Especially if they're too lazy to look up who Pfleger actually is.

[e_blazer1]

Originally Posted by MARIS61

You've never listened to McCain speak about the strong probablility of using nuclear weapons? Before you vote for a madman, take a little time to read his speaches, examine his votes and the bills he has sponsored.

He's all about nuking Asia. Iraq is a mere stepping stone to his goal.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...95&ft=1&f=1102

Sounds like a raving loon to me.

[e_blazer1]

Originally Posted by zagsfan20

Ummmm Pfleger was a guest speaker. He is the pastor at a Catholic church in Chicago. I'm not sure how a guest speaker, who works for a different church has anything to do with Obama.

While Pfleger is not nearly as close to Obama as Wright had been, he has donated to the candidate's state Senate and presidential campaigns and sat on a Catholics for Obama committee until a few weeks ago. When Obama was in the Illinois Legislature, he helped land more than $200,000 in state grants for outreach programs run by Pfleger's church.

Aides say Obama has rarely visited St. Sabina, although he cited Pfleger, along with Wright, as one of his spiritual advisers in a 2004 Chicago Sun-Times story. Pfleger helped Obama's Iowa campaign by taking part in a faith forum.

http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0508/524481.html

[e_blazer1]

Originally Posted by zagsfan20

I don't see how this is going to hurt him politically at all. If a minor thing like what Pfleger said is going to sway someone one way or another, they didn't have any intentions of voting for him in the first place. Especially if they're too lazy to look up who Pfleger actually is.

Man, you have a totally tin ear from a political standpoint. Not only does this make Obama look bad for attending a church that seems to constantly have a message of racial divisiveness, which is not going to help him with independents and undecided voters, but this speaker deliberately antagonizes the Clinton camp, whose supporters Obama will need in order to overcome McCain in the fall. There are already polls showing that a large percentage of Hillary's supporters say they will vote for McCain over Obama. This just adds fuel to that fire.

[maxiep]

Originally Posted by e_blazer1

http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0508/524481.html

Here was my favorite quote from that article:

Pfleger, too, issued an apology, saying he was sorry if his comments offended Clinton or anyone else. He did not return several calls for comment on Friday.

Note he didn't apologize for his content of his comments, only if they offended anyone. Translation: I meant what I said.

[Talkhard]

Overlooked in all of this is the law which requires churches, as non-profit and tax-exempt institutions, to avoid partisan politics. It's pretty clear that the Trinity United Church of Christ has openly supported Obama, both through Rev. Wright's preaching and now this Pfleger guy. Why the IRS isn't stepping in is beyond me, unless they are afraid to appear racist.

Here's an explanation of the IRS policy regarding non-profit organizations:

http://www.christianitytoday.com/yc/8y4/8y4060.html

[barfo]

Originally Posted by Talkhard

It's pretty clear that the Trinity United Church of Christ has openly supported Obama, both through Rev. Wright's preaching [...]

Sure, in the same way we supported the people of Hiroshima in 1945.

barfo

[Dan]

Originally Posted by Talkhard

Overlooked in all of this is the law which requires churches, as non-profit and tax-exempt institutions, to avoid partisan politics. It's pretty clear that the Trinity United Church of Christ has openly supported Obama, both through Rev. Wright's preaching and now this Pfleger guy. Why the IRS isn't stepping in is beyond me, unless they are afraid to appear racist.

Here's an explanation of the IRS policy regarding non-profit organizations:

http://www.christianitytoday.com/yc/8y4/8y4060.html

So are you going to complain about the churches that openly support McCain?