[HB]

Well regarding the guy mentioned above, the Democrats did make a big deal about it and forced Mccain to make a tough decision on this friend of his. What this just proves is that, everything is going to be under scrutiny. We all know about Obama's issues, but Mccain has pretty much gotten a free pass. I expect to see more of this associations exploited in the media

[maxiep]

Originally Posted by hasoos

I honestly don't see what the big deal is about Obamas church. My mom went to a church for about 8 years at one location, and every time I talked with her she was ticked about the preacher who was always pushing political agenda. She finally stopped going to that church. The thing I am saying is, people don't always do the logical thing when dealing with their religious dealings. Some people just go to church because they think it is the right thing to do, and they go to church where they do because they always have gone there, and they don't want to change. See they have this one thing in the back of their mind a lot. That if they don't go to church, they will burn in hell. That is motivation to go to church for them, wherever it may be.

But the thing is that Obama was completely rational with Trinity. He used the Church to establish his black bonafides on the South Side and rode that backing to the Illinois State Senate. He continued to trumpet his faith and his religious background by invoking the name of his church.

When he announed for the Presidency in Springfield, Rev. Wright was there but was asked to stay backstage because Obama said some of his sermons were "a little rough". So, he could say something like that and still be oblivious to the church's message? And when Trinity became politically poisonous, he dropped them like a hot potato.

Obama was completely rational with Trinity. He used them and threw them away.

[SodaPopinski]

Originally Posted by maxiep

You do know that Oprah Winfrey left the church a few years ago because she became uncomfortable with the message being preached at Trinity, right?

Oprah's personal preference on the message she prefers to hear in church is just that - her personal preference. Until Obama actually shows that he shares the same controversial thoughts as Wright, I'm inclined to believe that his own actions speak louder than someone else's words.

Remind me - who exactly has Oprah been supporting in this election since day 1? Don't you think someone you are using as evidence of your point would have voiced some concern about Obama if she knew him to be something different than he is displaying, ESPECIALLY if it aligned with her decision to leave Trinity?

-Pop

[MARIS61]

Originally Posted by maxiep

You do know that Oprah Winfrey left the church a few years ago because she became uncomfortable with the message being preached at Trinity, right?

I believe it was just last year, and only supports the fact that the angry reverend has drastically changed his message recently from the church's more mainstream ideals it has held in the past.

[MARIS61]

More friends of Insane McCain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gEROVh8zK4

[hasoos]

Originally Posted by maxiep

You do know that Oprah Winfrey left the church a few years ago because she became uncomfortable with the message being preached at Trinity, right?

Ok, but what does that have to do with Obama? Everybody has to make their own decisions in life.

[maxiep]

Originally Posted by SodaPopinski

Oprah's personal preference on the message she prefers to hear in church is just that - her personal preference. Until Obama actually shows that he shares the same controversial thoughts as Wright, I'm inclined to believe that his own actions speak louder than someone else's words.

Remind me - who exactly has Oprah been supporting in this election since day 1? Don't you think someone you are using as evidence of your point would have voiced some concern about Obama if she knew him to be something different than he is displaying, ESPECIALLY if it aligned with her decision to leave Trinity?

-Pop

So Obama staying until it became politically untenable to do so isn't an "action"? I think that "action" speaks louder than any of his "words".

[maxiep]

Originally Posted by MARIS61

I believe it was just last year, and only supports the fact that the angry reverend has drastically changed his message recently from the church's more mainstream ideals it has held in the past.

How recently? You mean like September of 2001? The "America's chickens are coming home to roost" sermon?

I was familiar with that church and it's message when I was living in the South Side in the mid to late 90s. What you have seen on video isn't all that different compared to what was being preached back then. It's just compared to Louis Farrakhan, he looks tame.

[maxiep]

Originally Posted by MARIS61

I believe it was just last year, and only supports the fact that the angry reverend has drastically changed his message recently from the church's more mainstream ideals it has held in the past.

How recently? You mean like September of 2001? The "America's chickens are coming home to roost" sermon? It's not like Rev. Wright suddenly turned nutzo.

I was familiar with that church and it's message when I was living in the South Side in the mid to late 90s. What you have seen on video isn't all that different compared to what was being preached back then. It's just compared to Louis Farrakhan, he looks tame.

[maxiep]

Originally Posted by hasoos

Ok, but what does that have to do with Obama? Everybody has to make their own decisions in life.

I agree. Oprah Winfrey felt that Trinity no longer represented what she wanted to hear on Sunday. Sen. Obama and his family felt what they were hearing was peachy-keen. It's only when it became politically untenable to be associated with the church, that he left. And remember, his reasoning had to do with that he didn't want the message of Trinity being dampened down because of a fear it would hurt him. He never came out and said he could no longer support the church and the Marxist and racial ideals preached from the pulpit.

Another blown opportunity because he still thinks he can have it both ways. Worse yet, he thinks the majority of his followers are stupid enough to buy it.

[HB]

Originally Posted by maxiep

I agree. Oprah Winfrey felt that Trinity no longer represented what she wanted to hear on Sunday. Sen. Obama and his family felt what they were hearing was peachy-keen. It's only when it became politically untenable to be associated with the church, that he left. And remember, his reasoning had to do with that he didn't want the message of Trinity being dampened down because of a fear it would hurt him. He never came out and said he could no longer support the church and the Marxist and racial ideals preached from the pulpit.

Another blown opportunity because he still thinks he can have it both ways. Worse yet, he thinks the majority of his followers are stupid enough to buy it.

As per Oprah, I dont even think she is a Christian anymore.

[blazerboy30]

Originally Posted by SodaPopinski

Oprah's personal preference on the message she prefers to hear in church is just that - her personal preference. Until Obama actually shows that he shares the same controversial thoughts as Wright, I'm inclined to believe that his own actions speak louder than someone else's words.

Remind me - who exactly has Oprah been supporting in this election since day 1? Don't you think someone you are using as evidence of your point would have voiced some concern about Obama if she knew him to be something different than he is displaying, ESPECIALLY if it aligned with her decision to leave Trinity?

-Pop

You've changed your argument between your last two posts. Your last post was:

Originally Posted by SodaPopinski

You know what I find hard to believe? That if Wright's incendiary statements were so prevalent, and that if Obama frequently attended sessions that "spewed such venom," why hasn't any member or ex-member of the Church brought that to the media's attention? Surely a simple witness could come forward saying Obama was at particular sermons that many Americans would find controversial. With a Church that boasts thousands of members in a diverse area of Chicago, surely there must be some conservative members looking to harm Obama's campaign.

Maxiep gave you an example of a "simple witness" who found the message to be controversial.

You were wrong, and then changed your argument to:

Originally Posted by SodaPopinski

Oprah's personal preference on the message she prefers to hear in church is just that - her personal preference.

You're just talking in circles, and not making any sense.