[MARIS61]

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org...mevictims.html

[Hector]

That site says that in many cases, Mexico won't extradite criminals back to the U.S. because they would be subject to sentences that the rest of the world considers inhumane. American prosecutors won't agree to limit the sentences to reasonable world standards, so Mexico won't extradite people into the cruel American legal system, which is based upon Reagan-era mandatory sentencing. Instead of complaining that immigrant criminals get away with crimes, the site should criticize this country's inhumane legal system.

[Dan]

Originally Posted by Hector

That site says that in many cases, Mexico won't extradite criminals back to the U.S. because they would be subject to sentences that the rest of the world considers inhumane. American prosecutors won't agree to limit the sentences to reasonable world standards, so Mexico won't extradite people into the cruel American legal system, which is based upon Reagan-era mandatory sentencing. Instead of complaining that immigrant criminals get away with crimes, the site should criticize this country's inhumane legal system.

why should they? it's easier to blame people for stuff than to look at the reasons why.

[maxiep]

Originally Posted by Hector

That site says that in many cases, Mexico won't extradite criminals back to the U.S. because they would be subject to sentences that the rest of the world considers inhumane. American prosecutors won't agree to limit the sentences to reasonable world standards, so Mexico won't extradite people into the cruel American legal system, which is based upon Reagan-era mandatory sentencing. Instead of complaining that immigrant criminals get away with crimes, the site should criticize this country's inhumane legal system.

Wait, you're looking to Mexico to judge the "fairness" of a prison sentence?

I, for one, believe that we get to decide what our sentences are. I believe we care what the rest of the world thinks of us too much already. It's one of the benefits of a nation-state.

[Dornado]

There are more than a handful of countries who won't extradite criminals to the United States because of the death penalty.

[maxiep]

Originally Posted by Dornado

There are more than a handful of countries who won't extradite criminals to the United States because of the death penalty.

Very true. I wonder if we refuse to extradite criminals to countries like Saudi Arabia where the penalty for stealing is losing your right hand? Seriously, I have no idea what the answer is.

Not to derail this thread, but is there a dumber sentence than the death penalty? First, it's irrevocable. Second, it costs more to kill someone than to put them away for life. Third, in many cases it's too easy for those maggots. I look at the way our supermax facilities broke a guy like John Gotti and lament that some monsters we released to the great beyond weren't subjected to it for 40-50 years before they kicked the bucket. Finally, it doesn't seem to serve as a deterrent.

[Dornado]

Originally Posted by maxiep

Very true. I wonder if we refuse to extradite criminals to countries like Saudi Arabia where the penalty for stealing is losing your right hand? Seriously, I have no idea what the answer is.

Not to derail this thread, but is there a dumber sentence than the death penalty? First, it's irrevocable. Second, it costs more to kill someone than to put them away for life. Third, in many cases it's too easy for those maggots. I look at the way our supermax facilities broke a guy like John Gotti and lament that some monsters we released to the great beyond weren't subjected to it for 40-50 years before they kicked the bucket. Finally, it doesn't seem to serve as a deterrent.

Especially when you've got guys who want to be martyred...

[maxiep]

Originally Posted by Dornado

There are more than a handful of countries who won't extradite criminals to the United States because of the death penalty.

Or the country will demand a guarantee from the Federal or state government that the person in question will not be subject to the death penalty before they extradite him. That situation is much more common.

[Hector]

The site says that in most cases, the prosecutors refused to guarantee no death penalty (or for noncapital offenses, no sentence meeting normal, nonAmerican standards), so Mexico refuses to cough up the criminal.

[MARIS61]

So by this logic, if we do not allow illegal aliens to invade and kill us in our own country, we are not only helping keep our country safe from murderers we are also protecting them (the illegally here murderers) the horrible death penalty.

This means if you support illegal aliens being allowed to remain here you are really dooming them to a much, much worse fate than if you keep them out of our country.

It is clear that the best situation for all concerned is strict enforcement of our immigration laws, which are more liberal than most countries including Mexico.

[MARIS61]

Countries who refuse to extradite their criminals to face our laws should be barred from immigrating to, or entering at all for any reason, our country.

[maxiep]

Originally Posted by Hector

The site says that in most cases, the prosecutors refused to guarantee no death penalty (or for noncapital offenses, no sentence meeting normal, nonAmerican standards), so Mexico refuses to cough up the criminal.

Yep, that's the case for Mexico. Of course, my comment was more global than just our friends to the south, which I why I didn't mention Mexico in my post. And by the way, since you consider "nonAmerican" standards "normal", who defines "normal"?

[hasoos]

Originally Posted by MARIS61

Countries who refuse to extradite their criminals to face our laws should be barred from immigrating to, or entering at all for any reason, our country.

1. The USA has always been a place where legal immigration has been in place and possible from all places. It doesn't matter where you are from.

2. So you are willing to shut down business relationships between countries because of the actions of illegal immigrants? In order to get anywhere in the world, you have to be able to negotiate solutions. Sometimes that means meeting the other side in the middle in a common solution.

3. So you are also willing to punish others who would immigrate legally because of the action of others?

I know it's an emotional issue and all, but the way I see it, the only way the immigration problem will ever be addressed is if the economies of the countries they are coming from are turned around, so they don't want to leave in the first place.

[Hector]

Originally Posted by MARIS61

Countries who refuse to extradite their criminals to face our laws should be barred from immigrating to, or entering at all for any reason, our country.

When they do that, they allow our laws to supersede their laws. They become our satellites, like a 51st State. It's the political side of economic imperialism.