[HAAK72]

Originally Posted by maxiep

Either one would indicate that he's not stupid.

...duped as in "cheated"..."conned"..."scammed"..."rigged"...etc...etc!!!

[yes, I believe some of the conspiracies surrounding the election(s) and this Bush character]

[It's_GO_Time]

Paris for Prez . . . "that's hot"

[Hector]

Originally Posted by maxiep

He had a higher GPA than John Kerry

Link? Source documents?

Originally Posted by maxiep

His IQ is 125.

Link? Source documents?

And as I said, even if you can prove it was true in his college years (you can't), it's not true now.

Originally Posted by Hector

I have yet to see source documents...Bush's GPA is irrelevant to measuring his current intelligence because of his many years of cocaine addiction after college.

[maxiep]

Originally Posted by Hector

Link? Source documents?

Actually, it wasn't a GPA. At the time Yale was based on a score of 10. Go do the research yourself; I'm not your reference librarian.

Originally Posted by Hector

Link? Source documents?

And as I said, even if you can prove it was true in his college years (you can't), it's not true now.

Haven't you seen the IQ ad on the side of this forum? As for your standard of proof, you don't get to make the forum rules. If you're not convinced, then I'll just have to live with your disappointment.

[Hector]

I'm disappointed. I knew you had no objective source, but I thought you'd at least give the link of some conservative blog that would pretend they are facts. The only appearance that your last post gives is that you made it up yourself. I can't give you that much credit. I know you got the ideas from some conservative site.

As for researching Yale's grading system, I already did. I sent away for their catalog at the time, among other schools, and read it. I decided not to apply to men's colleges. I wanted a situation conducive to finding a girlfriend.

[maxiep]

Originally Posted by Hector

I'm disappointed. I knew you had no objective source, but I thought you'd at least give the link of some conservative blog that would pretend they are facts. The only appearance that your last post gives is that you made it up yourself. I can't give you that much credit. I know you got the ideas from some conservative site.

Do what I did and search Bush +Kerry +Yale +Grades. Also, I made a typing error in my previous post and left off a zero; the grading system was based on 100, not 10. Here's a further hint: search "77" and "76". As for where I get my ideas, your characterizations are hilarious. I defy you to find one post I made where I linked to a "conservative blog". I guess you consider The New Yorker or CBS News a conservative blog that just makes up facts. Great stuff.

Originally Posted by Hector

As for researching Yale's grading system, I already did. I sent away for their catalog at the time, among other schools, and read it. I decided not to apply to men's colleges. I wanted a situation conducive to finding a girlfriend.

So, you were of college age before 1969? If you would have bothered to do any research whatsoever, you would have known how easy it was to find a girlfriend even if you went to a single-sex institution in the Northeast. The Seven Sisters practically arranged weekend buses to have their students find suitable mates. Talk to Yale alums of that era and you'll find plenty that met their wife in college. My guess is that rather you (ahem) decided not to apply to Yale after a discussion with their admissions committee.

[barfo]

Originally Posted by maxiep

So, you were of college age before 1969? If you would have bothered to do any research whatsoever, you would have known how easy it was to find a girlfriend even if you went to a single-sex institution in the Northeast.

I don't know that that research would have been so easy for a high school student living a long way away to do in the 60s. Information, especially of that sort, was a bit harder to come by back in those days.

I suppose college catalogs are now a thing of the past (in fact, I think I can hear a hundred lurkers here thinking "what is a college catalog?").

barfo

[Dan]

wait...Paris made more than one sex video?! Schilly, you only linked me to the one!

Which, btw, wasn't hot. In fact, it was rather tame..shoulda been more her, none of him.

[angrypuppy]

Originally Posted by maxiep

Do what I did and search Bush +Kerry +Yale +Grades. Also, I made a typing error in my previous post and left off a zero; the grading system was based on 100, not 10. Here's a further hint: search "77" and "76". As for where I get my ideas, your characterizations are hilarious. I defy you to find one post I made where I linked to a "conservative blog". I guess you consider The New Yorker or CBS News a conservative blog that just makes up facts. Great stuff.



So, you were of college age before 1969? If you would have bothered to do any research whatsoever, you would have known how easy it was to find a girlfriend even if you went to a single-sex institution in the Northeast. The Seven Sisters practically arranged weekend buses to have their students find suitable mates. Talk to Yale alums of that era and you'll find plenty that met their wife in college. My guess is that rather you (ahem) decided not to apply to Yale after a discussion with their admissions committee.

Well I'm not that old, but...

1. Neither Yale nor Harvard is that tough academically, and like any other college you can inflate your GPA by selecting easier courses or professors.

2. Legacies get a free pass. Trust me, the grandson of Sen. Prescott Bush needn't be that bright to get into Yale. Harvard most likely admitted him due to family wealth and influence.

3. There was a local female college in New Haven (Albertus Magnus aka Albertus Mattress). You didn't even have to check a bus schedule.

[maxiep]

Originally Posted by angrypuppy

Well I'm not that old, but...

1. Neither Yale nor Harvard is that tough academically, and like any other college you can inflate your GPA by selecting easier courses or professors.

Neither is as difficult as say Swarthmore or the University of Chicago, but they're tougher than your average state school. As for explaining away the grades, your assumption is that George Bush took all gut classes and John Kerry took only challenging ones? Hmm.

Originally Posted by angrypuppy

2. Legacies get a free pass. Trust me, the grandson of Sen. Prescott Bush needn't be that bright to get into Yale. Harvard most likely admitted him due to family wealth and influence.

Yep, chips have an advantage. However, John Kerry came from a distinguished family himself. His father was a Foreign Service officer and his mother was a member of the Forbes family. There's a reason he was Skull & Bones just like George Bush. All of that being said, both graduated from Yale, and President Bush also graduated from HBS (which is no walk in the park). You can get in, but at some point you have to do the work.

People confused being well-spoken with being smart. Some of the smartest people I've ever met can barely put two sentences together. By no means am I saying President Bush is a MENSA member, but he's certainly not stupid.

[angrypuppy]

Originally Posted by maxiep

Neither is as difficult as say Swarthmore or the University of Chicago, but they're tougher than your average state school. As for explaining away the grades, your assumption is that George Bush took all gut classes and John Kerry took only challenging ones? Hmm.



Yep, chips have an advantage. However, John Kerry came from a distinguished family himself. His father was a Foreign Service officer and his mother was a member of the Forbes family. There's a reason he was Skull & Bones just like George Bush. All of that being said, both graduated from Yale, and President Bush also graduated from HBS (which is no walk in the park). You can get in, but at some point you have to do the work.

People confused being well-spoken with being smart. Some of the smartest people I've ever met can barely put two sentences together. By no means am I saying President Bush is a MENSA member, but he's certainly not stupid.

Where did I assume that Kerry took more challenging courses? Where did I imply that Kerry was intellectually superior? There's a reason why we working class lads get admitted to Yale. If nothing else, we read carefully.

For the record, I wasn't impressed with either candidate. During the debates they both seemed lost whenever they discussed economic policy. Both left huge gaping holes in their arguments, and neither was clever enough exploit the holes. My conclusion was that they were both prepped by aides to a presentation by rote, and that they were thus incapable of a response that required real thought. That was pretty damn depressing, given that one of these two light weights was going to lead us.

Incidentally, HBS isn't that difficult, though supposedly they've tightened the reigns in recent years. From what I know from some real old-timers, business school back then was something you attended if you couldn't get into a top tier law school.

[maxiep]

Originally Posted by angrypuppy

Where did I assume that Kerry took more challenging courses? Where did I imply that Kerry was intellectually superior? There's a reason why we working class lads get admitted to Yale. If nothing else, we read carefully.

You appeared to be trying to justify Kerry's performance.

Originally Posted by angrypuppy

For the record, I wasn't impressed with either candidate.

Me either.

Originally Posted by angrypuppy

Incidentally, HBS isn't that difficult, though supposedly they've tightened the reigns in recent years.

Do you possess an MBA? It's one of my graduate degrees and I from my previous life, I have a lot of friends who graduated from HBS. It's not as technical as my degree was, but it's highly competitive even once you're admitted. 10% of the class fails every course, and in a case-based format, it's cutthroat to say the least. At least Darden forces you to participate in groups so the caseload is shared. At HBS, if you're called on to drive the case lecture and you haven't prepared, you're screwed.

Originally Posted by angrypuppy

From what I know from some real old-timers, business school back then was something you attended if you couldn't get into a top tier law school.

Well then, you should continue to learn more, because what you know is insufficient. You go to law school if you wish to become a lawyer. While a law degree can be useful for other fields, mostly it's if you love the law. If you prefer economics, finance or strategy, there are other graduate studies that are better suited for your tastes. As for those that choose management education. there are plenty of smart folks who choose not to pursue a legal degree. In fact, if you look at most large corporations, C-level execs more often than not possess MBAs.