[maxiep]

Originally Posted by Hector

I never said that. Read my words. I said that when I asked you for a source for Bush's IQ and GPAs of Bush and Kerry, I expected you to link to a subjective conservative blog, not a source document. You did neither, and didn't even attempt a halfstep in showing a source.

Here's what you said:

Originally Posted by Hector
I'm disappointed. I knew you had no objective source, but I thought you'd at least give the link of some conservative blog that would pretend they are facts. The only appearance that your last post gives is that you made it up yourself. I can't give you that much credit. I know you got the ideas from some conservative site.

First, I have an objective source, as anyone that understands how to do an internet search does. Second, you said you expected me to link to some conservative blog. Then you said you knew I got my ideas from some conservative site. Neither was true, nor has it ever been. I think for myself, thank you very much.

And as I told you before, I'm not your reference librarian. If you're not smart enough to follow the trail of breadcrumbs I left you, then the information would be worthless to you anyway.

Originally Posted by Hector

By the way, I notice you don't include McCain's GPA in this. He graduated near the bottom of his class.

And that has a bearing on President Bush vs. President Kerry how?

Originally Posted by Hector

But as I said, one's ancient GPA history is irrelevant, e.g. Bush later lost his mind in many years of deep cocaine addiction, followed by the usual Born Again change of heart.

Other than the born again change of heart, I wonder by bringing up McCain as a red herring who has actually lost their mind?

Originally Posted by Hector

Everyone knows there are girls a few miles away, silly, but that's different from actually having them in your classes for easy interaction. That's all I'll say about the birds and the bees. My freshman year was the first year of coed dormitories and ours was an experiment. The guy in the room next to me had turned down Harvard and Stanford because he preferred a smaller college. A few others in the small dorm had done the same. Later I moved into a house and one of my two roommates (the conservative stoner with hair just as long as everyone else ) was a 4th or 6th generation Harvardite (I forgot which) who had been turned down at Harvard because at the interview he was asked, why do you want to go to Harvard, and he answered, the big name. He went through a bunch of joints and cans of Michelob every day. He was an idiot. Wonder where he is now. Wait a minute--MAXIEP!!!! Do you have stringy hair and watch "The Wild Wild West" reruns all afternoon?

And which school was this? Fantasy University? Ah yes, the place where everyone turned down elite schools and where women lay around waiting with open legs. Great stuff. Just hilarious. There are four to five schools across the country where I would believe your story. Otherwise, I call BS.

Originally Posted by Hector

Skull & Bones was nothing special at most universities.

Where else is there Skull & Bones? They're affiliated with DKE at Yale, but that's a one way street.

Originally Posted by Hector

My father was a member during the Depression. He said it was nothing memorable.

So your dad went to Yale and you couldn't get in? That tells me all I need to know.

Originally Posted by Hector

Mensa isn't worth the cost. You not only pay annual dues, but you buy your dinner at the worthless monthly meetings in which everyone acts as dumb and sociable as they can. About a fourth are truly dumb bozos and the rest of us just pretended to be. I always thought that some had been let in and their test numbers faked. The magazine is worthless. The only reason to be a member is to put it on your resume, but that will incur more resentment than job interviews. And you get no endearing friendships out of it. Don't waste your money. Stick with me kid and I'll give you money-saving tips.

Golly, you're smart! Ah, I know the type. It's the "I could have done..." or the "I could have been..." crowd. Sorry, but at some point you actually have to accomplish something.

[maxiep]

Originally Posted by angrypuppy

Not at all. In fact, cite where I implied Kerry was superior.

You appeared to attempt to provide an explanation of why Bush's grades were better than Kerry's. If my assumption was incorrect, then I apologize. However, providing an explanation as to why GPAs can be different in a discussion regarding two specific people generally leads one down the path I pursued.

Originally Posted by angrypuppy

Yes, I am an MBA. Compared to EE, the classes were easy.

Perhaps you merely attended the wrong program. There are plenty of gut MBA programs across the country. I went to school with several engineers from MIT and CalTech. They felt the work where we went was more difficult than either of those two programs because not only were the courses challenging, but there was always ambiguity, even if your calculations were correct.

Originally Posted by angrypuppy

Group case work doesn't necessarily make it less competitive; it merely changes the dynamic. A professor could easily make it cut throat by forcing you to distribute an imaginary 100 shares to your team based on performance, and then fail those who collectively receive the fewest shares from the other group members.

Err, I was speaking specifically about HBS and Darden. Could they change the way they grade to make you happy? Sure. However, something tells me they'll keep it the way it is. I'm sure they'd appreciate your input, however.

Originally Posted by angrypuppy

What we all know is insufficient.

And some are more insufficient than others.

Originally Posted by angrypuppy

Once again, you made a poor inference from what I had posted. It wasn't a value judgment on the merits of an MBA versus JD. I hope in the future you read more carefully, and without prejudice.

Here's what you posted:

Originally Posted by angrypuppy
From what I know from some real old-timers, business school back then was something you attended if you couldn't get into a top tier law school.

What other inference is there to make other than that MBA programs back in the day were sloppy seconds to a legal education? Please, do enlighten me, since somehow I must have misinterpreted what you meant by that statement.

[Hector]

Originally Posted by maxiep

First, I have an objective source, as anyone that understands how to do an internet search does....I'm not your reference librarian.

You still evade giving a link. As I said, I have yet to see a source, much less a source document, as to your claim that you know Bush's IQ or the GPAs of Bush and Kerry.

Originally Posted by maxiep

And that has a bearing on President Bush vs. President Kerry how?...Other than the born again change of heart, I wonder by bringing up McCain as a red herring who has actually lost their mind?

The thread was originally about the current energy policy. I played your digression game to Kerry, and then barely mentioned the current McCain race, which is what matters. You'll just have to live with my veering from your veering. As you said yourself, "You don't set the rules of the forum."

Originally Posted by maxiep

And which school was this? Fantasy University? Ah yes, the place where everyone turned down elite schools...Great stuff. Just hilarious. There are four to five schools across the country where I would believe your story. Otherwise, I call BS.

Occidental. I have the students' names, thought I haven't seen them for decades. The one across the hall from me who turned down Harvard and Stanfore liked his guitar and was the biggest drug salesman in the dorm. I liked him. He had it more together than I did, with the beautiful girlfriend, etc. I was a kid. This was a decade before Obama landed there, straight out of my grade school.

Originally Posted by maxiep

Where else is there Skull & Bones? They're affiliated with DKE at Yale, but that's a one way street. So your dad went to Yale and you couldn't get in? That tells me all I need to know..

I have no idea how limited they are today, but they were national in the 1930s. He went to the University of Utah. Since you demand my naming all these colleges, will you name yours?

Originally Posted by maxiep

Golly, you're smart! Ah, I know the type. It's the "I could have done..." or the "I could have been..." crowd. Sorry, but at some point you actually have to accomplish something.

I have no idea where this remark is coming from. You are the one who talked about grad school, Mensa, etc. So I talk to you on your own level and you react jealously. You like to sit on the pinnacle and you don't like company up there.

[Hector]

Originally Posted by maxiep

Perhaps you merely attended the wrong program. There are plenty of gut MBA programs across the country. I went to school with several engineers from MIT and CalTech. They felt the work where we went was more difficult than either of those two programs because not only were the courses challenging, but there was always ambiguity, even if your calculations were correct.

I can compare the two, since I started as a math major and morphed into accounting. The MBA is definitely easier than Electrical Engineering (my brother's degree). As I said before, the MBA would seem hard to someone with no undergraduate business background, because you're competing against students who have already studied the same material as undergraduates. The MBA basically repeats the accounting and business undergraduate majors (at an A-student level), with a lot of computer programming added in.

Maxiep, you have pulled out Angrypuppy's major and mine. Care to give us yours? I would guess it's something that lends itself to State Dept. work. On the other hand, you have mentioned previously that you've changed jobs a few times.