[The Professional Fan]

Well.....that was a successful divorce from the last 8 years if you ask me.

The 'Pubs have a chance. Unbelievably. They have a chance.

[Minstrel]

Originally Posted by The Professional Fan

Well.....that was a successful divorce from the last 8 years if you ask me.

The 'Pubs have a chance. Unbelievably. They have a chance.

Amazing...in one of the most right-wing nations in the Western world, the Republicans have a chance. How is it possible?

[The Professional Fan]

Originally Posted by Minstrel

Amazing...in one of the most right-wing nations in the Western world, the Republicans have a chance. How is it possible?

After 8 years of Bush, it really is remarkable the US could immediately elect another Republican. At least it's amazing to me. McCain truly is the only Republican that has a fighting chance against Obama.

[Minstrel]

Originally Posted by The Professional Fan

After 8 years of Bush, it really is remarkable the US could immediately elect another Republican. At least it's amazing to me. McCain truly is the only Republican that has a fighting chance against Obama.

It's not that amazing to me. I never thought the Democrats were any kind of shoo-in. The country is very polarized, so is very likely to vote along party lines regardless of how the past years have gone and has a pretty small group of real independents. And this polarized nation tends to tilt slightly right wing, in my perception. Put it all together, and I don't think the Republicans are ever going to be uncompetitive in an election.

[zagsfan20]

I think the nation has already made up its mind about who its going to elect far before tonights speech. Heck, far before the primary season was in full gear. The people of this country aren't naive enough to go the same route after 8 years of the horrible mismanagement we've been through. The Republican's can say what they want. They can play the same greasy politics they usually do by talking about their opponent rather than the real issues. Its funny that I hear them rehash the left-wing media bias over and over. They're starting a war that they are never going to win.

[Schilly]

I haven't made up my mind Zags. Your logic would indicate that all presidents are equivalent to other presidents of the same Party, which certainly isn't the case. if it were Bush would have been better as he would have been like Reagan.

That's the same flaw as thinking Hillary would be the same as the other Clinton, or that Obama represents salvation simply from being different.

[Xericx]

Originally Posted by zagsfan20

I think the nation has already made up its mind about who its going to elect far before tonights speech. Heck, far before the primary season was in full gear. The people of this country aren't naive enough to go the same route after 8 years of the horrible mismanagement we've been through. The Republican's can say what they want. They can play the same greasy politics they usually do by talking about their opponent rather than the real issues. Its funny that I hear them rehash the left-wing media bias over and over. They're starting a war that they are never going to win.

Just like how there was ZERO chance Bush won his 2nd term? yeah.

[zagsfan20]

Originally Posted by Schilly

I haven't made up my mind Zags. Your logic would indicate that all presidents are equivalent to other presidents of the same Party, which certainly isn't the case. if it were Bush would have been better as he would have been like Reagan.

That's the same flaw as thinking Hillary would be the same as the other Clinton, or that Obama represents salvation simply from being different.

Look at McCain's voting record. Its virtually the same as Bush's. Its kind of sad that McCain and company are saying that "change is coming", when it simply isn't. How many more years do we plan to waste away in Iraq under McCain's belt? Of all the Republican nominees they voted on the candidate most similar to Bush. You know the same Bush that they are giving little air time to and hardly bringing up any praise for. The same Bush that would be there for the inauguration if McCain did happen to win.

The independents in this country are some of the smartest out there. I have a hard time believing that they will help re-elect Bush v. 2.0

[zagsfan20]

Originally Posted by Xericx

Just like how there was ZERO chance Bush won his 2nd term? yeah.

Thats because Kerry had no backbone and it was the first election after 9-11 and the Rove style of campaigning, by putting fear in the mind of the voters still worked.

[HB]

The independents in this country are some of the smartest out there. I have a hard time believing that they will help re-elect Bush v. 2.0

You might be shocked dude. Selective amnesia is very rampant in this country.

[Tortimer]

I think it is going to be a close election because many of the independents want change but no the far left change of the Democrats and Obama. I do think there just might be enough to get Obama a small victory because most people want change. I also wouldn't be surprised if the country did elect McCain because most middle America agrees closer with his views. I know it is harder for the east and west coast people to understand. When I travel to the Midwest I get a completely different view of America.

[Schilly]

Originally Posted by zagsfan20

Look at McCain's voting record. Its virtually the same as Bush's. Its kind of sad that McCain and company are saying that "change is coming", when it simply isn't. How many more years do we plan to waste away in Iraq under McCain's belt? Of all the Republican nominees they voted on the candidate most similar to Bush. You know the same Bush that they are giving little air time to and hardly bringing up any praise for. The same Bush that would be there for the inauguration if McCain did happen to win.

The independents in this country are some of the smartest out there. I have a hard time believing that they will help re-elect Bush v. 2.0

Interesting... McCains own party honestly didn't want him as their candidate because he wasn't conservative enough. How does his voting record compare to other Republican Senators? How does his percentage of following Bush compare to Democrats percentage of voting against Bush? Was Bush 100% wrong 100% of the time?

I haven't decided yet who i am voting for, but I can tell you I won't be voting based on Party, but based on policy and what makes most sense. I'm doing my research, I'm spending my time evaluating voting records, what people voted for and against. I have to admit I am more tan a little put off by the attention we pay to our "enemies" but heck I don't receive official Intelligence updates, My guess is more tan anything the talk of Iran is just that, but it's sending a message to Iran that we are watching you.

One of the fundamental flaws in Politics is a party based system that is dominated by 2 parties only, There either need to be no parties at all, or there needs to be at least 1 more legitimate party that has as much power as the other 2. Being so dominated by 2 makes everything polarizing and discourages full thought on individual matters.

[SodaPopinski]

I couldn't tell if McCain's speech was a convention speech or a eulogy. At any rate, it was appropriate.

-Pop