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I agree with CrGiants, I won't believe this one until it's officially announced.
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I think it is pretty much a done deal, could ESPN be jumping the gun here? Possibly, but I find that to be highly unlikely.
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League sources told ESPN.com that the deal is done but it can't be announced until after the conclusion of the first round Thursday night in New York. New Jersey would make the No. 22 selection for the Blazers.
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06-20-2004, 11:48 PM
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You know, on espn today they mentioned something like Mcgrady knowing that a deal is about to happen but they're going to wait until after the draft until they pull the trigger. This little bit of news has to make you wonder  |
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06-20-2004, 11:56 PM
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wow, what a night. I get home from work,see this done dizzle for #22 and now I am so pumped. I can't wait for this draft at all.
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06-21-2004, 12:00 AM
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I agree man.... the summer is usually the best time to be a blazer fan.... except for last year....
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06-21-2004, 12:00 AM
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I think it is pretty much a done deal, could ESPN be jumping the gun here? Possibly, but I find that to be highly unlikely.
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It does seem unlikely, but it's not like it's never happened before, ESPN does jump the gun sometimes. Doesn't it seem highly unlikely that NJ would make this trade in the first place?
I think it's more likely that ESPN is wrong than it is that NJ would trade away a first-rounder for nothing.
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06-21-2004, 12:08 AM
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What I don't understand is, if they didn't want the pick, why couldn't they just trade it for a future protected pick, like the Spurs did last year? Are they that desperate for the cash?
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And aren't there other teams who would be willing to trade cash, PLUS something of value, for a first-rounder?
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But they don't want a guaranteed contract for 2004-05 (thus trading for Gill whose contract is unguaranteed), and they don't seem to want another guaranteed contract for 2005-06 either (or else I agree they'd ask for a future pick instead of the cash).
I guess the new owner thinks that saving $4 million this year is more important than whatever player they could get at #22. Maybe Thorn convinced him that this is a weak draft or something.
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06-21-2004, 12:15 AM
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Portland has to take on $ in a salary too.
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Portland couldn't send someone like Woods for the draft pick. However, the Blazers CAN send Cook and/or Gill because they are minimum salary players.
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69. How are minimum-salary players handled in trades?
The "minimum salary exception" allows teams to acquire minimum-salary players without regard to salary matching under the assigned player exception (see question number 67 ). For example, a team over the cap can trade a second round draft pick to another team in exchange for a minimum-salary player, even a 10-year veteran earning $1 million.
When a team acquires multiple players in the same trade, it essentially ignores the incoming salary for all minimum-salary players, as they fall under the minimum salary exception. For example, a team is over the cap and trades a $5 million player, receiving in return a $5.5 million player and two 10-year veterans earning $1 million each on minimum-salary contracts. The team trading the $5 million player can accept only $5.85 million in return (115% plus $100,000 of $5 million), and the three incoming players combine for $7.5 million in salary. However, the two $1 million players are covered by the minimum salary exception, so only the $5.5 million player counts against the assigned player exception. Since $5.5 million is within the team's $5.85 million limit using the assigned player exception, the trade is allowed.
Teams trading away minimum-salary players do count their salaries (the portion not paid by the league -- see question number 9 ) as outgoing salary when comparing salaries for trade.
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06-21-2004, 12:17 AM
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League sources told ESPN.com that the deal is done but it can't be announced until after the conclusion of the first round Thursday night in New York.
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I wonder if he misunderstood and should have said, "it can't be announced until after the conclusion of the expansion draft."
There's no reason that I'm aware of as to why it can't happen before or during the 1st round of the rookie draft. Even if the pick is selected by NJ on behalf of the Blazers, it still has no value for matching salaries in a trade, although it does count against NJ's cap once selected.
And Gill can be traded for a draft pick straight up because he has a minimum salary contract.
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06-21-2004, 12:20 AM
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You know, on espn today they mentioned something like Mcgrady knowing that a deal is about to happen but they're going to wait until after the draft until they pull the trigger. This little bit of news has to make you wonder
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I heard that, too, and was surprised. It's on the web at ESPN.com:
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Reached at his home in south Orlando, McGrady told the Sentinel he could not talk about the situation "until it's official ... after the draft. I can't let my tricks out of the bag. I don't have any comment."
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It's highly unlikely he's coming to Portland, but it sure sounds like he's going SOMEWHERE, and soon...
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06-21-2004, 12:26 AM
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it's moments like this that I wish we had an insider in our midst!
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06-21-2004, 12:32 AM
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no kidding.. talk about jump starting draft week.. my oh my!
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06-21-2004, 12:34 AM
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It looks like it is HOU, for Francis and spare parts.
tell me if I am crazy here, but I really think that a trade of Zach, Damon, Theo, Qyntel for Hill and McGrady is a FAR better deal for ORL than what HOU is offering up.
POR could then go after Brent Barry as their PG, use all 3 of their draft picks to fill out the team.
Maybe POR is not going to give up Zach for T-Mac? or doesn't want to take on Hill's deal?
Most likely scenario IMO - T-Mac doesn't want to play for POR.
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06-21-2004, 12:37 AM
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hm..didn't McGrady totally diss Van Gundy recently?
and if this is an accurate trade, Houston robbed Orlando blind.
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06-21-2004, 12:47 AM
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It looks like it is HOU, for Francis and spare parts.
tell me if I am crazy here, but I really think that a trade of Zach, Damon, Theo, Qyntel for Hill and McGrady is a FAR better deal for ORL than what HOU is offering up.
POR could then go after Brent Barry as their PG, use all 3 of their draft picks to fill out the team.
Maybe POR is not going to give up Zach for T-Mac? or doesn't want to take on Hill's deal?
Most likely scenario IMO - T-Mac doesn't want to play for POR.
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I hope PDX is sold on Zach as the franchise because I am. No need to trade him, he is not the problem. We have a very youthful yet competitive season, we shouldn't screw it up.
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06-21-2004, 12:57 AM
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I don't believe Orlando would trade McGrady for Steve Francis. They could get so much more. They could pretty much get any top guard in the league for McGrady. Indiana was offering J'O Neal.
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#22 pick : Done Dizzle
