Fork

No they weren't.

Some writer SUGGESTED that Orlando could trade TMac for Jermaine O'Neal.

Indiana wants to offer 2 of Bender, Harrington and Artest, not O'Neal.

__________________
When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross. -- Sinclair Lewis, 1935

If you sit by the river long enough, you will see the body of your enemy float by. -- Japanese proverb

Draco

yeah indy is definetly not offering oneal

Kmurph

I was wondering this as well So-Cal, was this just an minor error or is there another reason?


Well the only one reason I can think of, would be if the 22nd pick was involved in a bigger deal, possibly including the #23 as well? B\c in that case, unless I am mistaken, the trading of picks (if for example POR was trading all 3 picks to CHA for #4) cannot be announced until the last pick involved in the trade has been made, and usually they are announced at the conclusion of the 1st round.


I wonder if SAR, Kittles and Williams could still be involved somehow.

CHA gets #13, #22 & #23

NJ gets SAR, Gill & $3mil cash (and trade exemption for CHA selecting Kittles in the expansion draft)

POR gets #4 pick, Kittles & A.Williams

Just pure speculation on my part (of course).

I'd be quite happy if the deal was just as stated on ESPN, but the #4 is enticing.

__________________
Quit the Webster hate

rattler-n-rollin

PORTLANDS GONNA MAKE DRAFT DAY CRAZY let the games begin GO BLAZERS

__________________
Flavius Josephus

"Thus were the miserable people persuaded by these deceivers, and such as belied God himself; while they did not attend nor give credit to the signs that were so evident, and did so plainly foretell their future desolation, but, like men infatuated, without either eyes to see or minds to consider, did not regard the denunciations that God made to them. Thus there was a star resembling a sword, which stood over the city, and a comet, that continued a whole year.

MAS RipCity

Welcome to the boards Rattler n Rollin

__________________
PDX Fan Since '90

lalooska

Actually, it was the other way around. VG said something to the effect of Mcgrady being a selfish player and acts like a baby with all of his posturing.

Back to #22....

I think that because our original 2 picks were locked down (Jackson, Telfair) because of the sweet marketing $$, Nash wanted to be able to make at least one pick himself. Anything we get beyond the goodwill and luxury suite money from choosing those two will be gravy.

If we keep the pick, I'm guessing Wright or JR Smith, if either is available.

tlong

I just hope we don't use our #13 pick on Telfair. That would be a HUGE mistake! I would like them to use #22 or #23 on Telfair (if possible) and package the other two to move up in the draft and select Ben Gordon.

hobojoe

Not for the Magic it's not. The trade with Houston fills their needs at PG, SG and C whereas the best player in that Portland deal is yet another PF. You realize that would make 4 of Orlando's best players ALL PF's? We still have Howard, Gooden and we'd now have Randolph and Okafor. It just doesn't make sense from a team need perspective. Damon's just cap room, and an OK PG for a season, and Ratliff is a decent C with a big contract as well. Qyntel is a bust, and could get taken by Charlotte anyway. The Houston trade isn't as good talent wise, but it fills Orlando's needs nicely, and all players the Magic receive are under 30 years old.

__________________
Favorite Rookies for 2008-2009:
Michael Beasley MIA - JJ Hickson CLE - Darrell Arthur MEM - Brandon Rush IND - Donte Green HOU - Kevin Love MIN - Jerryd Bayless POR

Bet on sports for free, win real cash

hasoos

There is a big difference. You speak of Orlando would have 4 power forwards if they did this trade. The difference being that the power forward you would be obtaining in the trade is actually a worthy player, where all of the others that are on Orlando are struggling to be marginal, at best. Orlando is soft on the inside. Now the other assumption you make, is that if they made the trade that Okafor would still be drafted. A trade like this would allow Orlando to take somebody else, or trade down. Last but not least, the players on Orlando produced the worst record in the league last year. They would have the core of a team that would make the playoffs in the east easy. Chances are, if this trade was made, some of the power forwards that are on Orlando now, would be cut loose, they would have a solid core to build upon, and lots of money for free agency in the near future.

__________________
Hasoos

hobojoe

Randolph may be a worthy player, but he can't play defense, which just makes him a step above Juwan Howard and Drew Gooden, who are similar players that score, but can't play defense. The Magic would still have a horrible defensive squad, so this trade really doesn't help much. Sure it brings in Ratliff, but the rest of the team still can't play D. It's not that easy to just get rid of Gooden and Howard, and then try and trade down from the number 1 pick while they're at it. That team would not make the playoffs, even in the East. Look at the lineup:

Stoudamire/Lue/Gaines
Bogans/Woods
Garrity/Woods
Randolph/Howard/Okafor/Gooden
Ratliff/DeClercq

Not only can no one play defense in that lineup outside of Ratliff and Bogans, but no one can create their own shot outside of Randolph, and sometimes Damon. You have three pretty good outside shooters, but lets be honest, that team is awful. Compare that to this possible lineup:

Francis/Lue
Mobley/Bogans
Hill/Garrity
Okafor/Gooden
Cato/(Okafor)

This lineup is good enough to make the playoffs in the East easily, and compete for home court advantage. It's not as good as Indiana or Detroit, but they could possibly be one of the best teams in the East. The combination of outside shooting(Francis, Mobley, Garrity, Bogans, Lue) interior defense(Okafor and Cato) good rebounders for their position(Francis, Bogans, Hill, Okafor, Gooden, Cato) team chemistry that's already there(Francis, Mobley and Cato) with two guys who are team-first players and shouldn't have a problem fitting in(Hill and Okafor) you have a recipe for a very good basketball team potentially. Like I said, talent-wise the Portland deal may be better, but from an Orlando standpoint I'd much rather have the Rockets trade due to team need.

__________________
Favorite Rookies for 2008-2009:
Michael Beasley MIA - JJ Hickson CLE - Darrell Arthur MEM - Brandon Rush IND - Donte Green HOU - Kevin Love MIN - Jerryd Bayless POR

Bet on sports for free, win real cash

knicksfan

damn you guys got freakin lucky! a scrub and money for sebastian telfair, what in the hell is that idiot thorn thinking!

__________________
The starting lineup for YOUR Knicksfan's legends Ghost's Dungeon Legends Baseball draft.

1. CF: Tyrus Cobb
2. 2B: Pete Rose
3. 1B: Mark McGwire
4. C: Mike Piazza
5. 3B: Cal Ripken JR
6. SS: Miguel Tejada
7. RF: Mel Ott
8. LF: Darryl Strawberry
9. DH: Dave Winfield

Starting Rotation and Closer
1. Walter Johnson 2nd winningest RIGHTY ever
2. Warren Spahn Winningest LEFTY ever
3. Phil Niekro Knuckle em up
4. Dwight Gooden A stud before the drugs
5. John Clarkson won 51 games in 1 season. 278 in 8 seasons. 300 game winner.
CL: Trevor Hoffman

Trader Ed

its not a done deal... there are lot of teams that could pick him from #14 to #22

with all the media attention now o it. A team may think again about picking him. Maybe even Kiki

__________________
"The whole is greater than the sum of its parts..."

Heart, desire and hustle! Its the fire within that makes a champion.

Blazer Ringbearer

If this is true, this is an exciting deal and you have to give Nash credit.

Who is Eddie Gill? A CBA player - you can bring an Eddie Gill to your training camp for free and he'll beg you to give him the league minimum.

The #22 pick in this draft can net a real player - or be a very nice piece in a trade package, possibly #22 & #23 for a higher pick (14-16?).

This has the potential to be as good of a trade as McInnis for Miles, IMO.

dkap

I still won't be surprised to see Telfair go before #13. In fact, I'd be less surprised by that than if he lasted to #22/23.

Dan

Charlie Brown

The Nets GM was quoted as saying the Nets could use pick 22 if the right player fell (the link is over in the Nets forum if you want to read it).