jackiejackal

"No single player can carry a team to a championship by himself.

Not Sheed, not ANYONE.

Why would you WANT one player to do it all?"

we are not the ones saying this Nathan.
you are implying it by calling it Sheed's team and saying they won because of him.What else are you conveying except that?

KingSpeed

Hogwash--- ask his TEAMMATES if he is ever invisible. Ask his OPPONENTS if he is ever invisible. You don't have to score to have a MAJOR impact on the game. If he is IN THE GAME, he causes problems for the opposition whether he scores or not. His thread to score from everywhere, his great passing ability, his lenghth, athleticism, defense, and LEADERSHIP on defense make him a VERY EFFECTIVE player WHENEVER he is on the court.

Anyone who says he is EVER invisible in a game does NOT KNOW THE GAME. Ask Larry Brown if Sheed was ever invisible. Ask the Herb Brown. Ask Finals MVP Billups.

Go Blazers

KingSpeed

Jackie- PLEASE read before your post.

Draco said this: "Sheed is not a top5 player who can lead a team to a championship by himself, but he is a very good piece to the puzzle."

Draco implied that the top 5 players could lead a team a championship by themselves. That is RIDICULOUS. I never asserted this. DRACO did.

I never said Sheed could win by himself. In fact, I flat out said Sheed could not. NO ONE CAN.

PLEASE read before posting, Jackie.

jackiejackal

so you are knocking out the last 8 years here in Portland as if they didn't exist ??
there were times I would beg in front of the tv for him to get into the game,not stand there outside the plays ..

no penetrating to the basket,getting that one big rebound,etc..
what is it about now suddenly he has zero flaws??

KingSpeed

As for "why the Pistons won," Jackie... the best people to talk to are the PISTONS. When Larry Brown, Prince, Ben Wallace, Rip, and Billups were EACH asked "when did you believe you could win the whole thing?", they ALL said "when we got Rasheed Wallace."

jackiejackal

no sweetie...read your own posts.

you imply night after night that they won
because of sheed..
you don't say that the team won..
you imply that sheed has never lost a playoff game,never lost a whatever.

what is that but singling him out and implying that they couldn;t have done it without him??
like he personally was the reason??????

jackiejackal

I believe they call that team basketball
Nathan.

I believe that another player like Sheed could have done the same thing.
Good grief I watched the playoffs.

with all the games,only one was a real standout and I think Karl played on his knees in that one.

KingSpeed

Jackie- you were obviously only watching ELEMENTS of the game and not the WHOLE game. If he didn't grab boards, did you notice him box out so that Davis could get the board? Did you notice a key blocked shot? A key pass? The fact that the defenses were keying on him and he opened up big scoring opportunities for his teammates?

I remember a game vs Denver where Sheed scored 30 through the first three qtrs and then didn't score in the 4th and DEREK ANDERSON said the "loss is on us. Sheed opened up shot opportunities for me and Damon and we didn't knock them down."

And I remember a game vs the Sonics where Sheed was failing to make his turnaround on the low block in the 4th qtr, but he had several key rebounds and two VERY KEY blocks of three point shots by Radmanovic.

Forget the 8 years he was with the Blazers? HOW COULD I? He hit more game winners than I can count and had more big 4th qtrs than I can remember (in both the playoffs and the regular season), and we went to the playoffs every year and the WCF twice! We never won the title cuz we never surrounded him with the right combination of talent. You could say he had lots of talent in 2000 but WHERE WERE THEY? Look at that Game 7 box score? Where was Damon? Where was Pippen? Where was Brian Grant? Where was Sabonis?

KingSpeed

Ummm... Sheed is a rare breed in that he has ALWAYS played team basketball whether it was a contract year or not.

And EVERY GAME was a stand out game for Rasheed Wallace because that team was greater than the sum of its part. They all relied on each other for both their defense and their offense. You can't look at individual stats to determine which games were his best. But I'd say Game 1 was DARN impressive. He led his team in rebounding. He held Malone COMPLETELY in check (and Malone was more healthy that game AND Malone was in a quest for his first title AND he had Shaq and Kobe at his sides) and Sheed scored 14 pts on only 4 shots. His threes to open each half were BIG. He was incredibly efficient in that game and the Pistons won by 12.

mediocre man

Since I answered the question shouldn't we be finished with this thread now.

jackiejackal

I am outta here to the fireworks.
do not make comments like this .
You can be his pr "man" on the side.

KingSpeed

Jackie, honey, read the title of this thread. It says Sheed's TEAMS, not "Sheed."

Again.... PLEASE READ before posting. In your case, I would like to recommend that you read the posts TWICE before posting because instead of posting something that will be censored, I would like to say Happy 4th.

jackiejackal

'And EVERY GAME was a stand out game for Rasheed Wallace because that team was greater than the sum of its part. '

um. this is not acceptable, and I don't want to be spending my 4th of july night editing and censoring this ****, so stop now, or many posts will be deleted and I don't care what anyone says. This applies to EVERYONE, I just decided to use this edit to let it be known

KingSpeed

Mediocre- you did not answer the question.

And what was this statement about?

" wish I could come up with questions like this. You all know, the kind of question that is almost impossible to argue."

Questions are made to be ANSWERED, not argued.

You can't ARGUE a question but no one seems to understand that. Everyone, including you, is trying to ARGUE my question. Just answer it. The only person I can think of is Michael Jordan. And I think Scottie Pippen applies too, right? But they are both retired. Is there anyone IN THE LEAGUE NOW that has done what Sheed's teams have? I'm sure they may be, but everyone is too busy arguing with me instead of trying to help me answer the question. If you don't want to answer the question, fine. Don't. BUt don't argue the asking of it.

jackiejackal

Nathan,you made a comment couple nights ago about "healing our relationship"

Sorry, I had made you a DNR...