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PORTLAND sends Shareef Abdur-Rahim to Los Angeles
PORTLAND sends Derek Anderson, Sergei Monia and Vladimir Stepania to Toronto
PORTLAND sends Damon Stoudamire to New York

PORTLAND receives Vince Carter, Alvin Williams, Jerome Moiso and Anfernee Hardaway


TORONTO sends Vince Carter, Alvin Williams and Jerome Moiso to Portland
TORONTO sends Roger Mason, Jr. to New York

TORONTO receives Stephon Marbury, Derek Anderson, Sergei Monia and Vladimir Stepania


LOS ANGELES sends Shaquille O'Neal to New York

LOS ANGELES receives Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Nazr Mohammed, Mike Sweetney, Frank Williams and Othella Harrington


NEW YORK sends Stephon Marbury to Toronto
NEW YORK sends Nazr Mohammed, Mike Sweetney, Frank Williams and Othella Harrington to Los Angeles
NEW YORK sends Anfernee Hardaway to Portland

NEW YORK receives Shaquille O'Neal, Damon Stoudamire and Roger Mason, Jr.

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RATIONALE:

Portland exchanges SAR, Damon and Monia for Carter and Williams. Williams starts until Telfair is ready, then becomes an overpaid backup - but he's the price to be paid in order to get Carter. Anderson's lousy contract exchanged for Hardaway's (shorter but bigger) lousy contract. Stepania exchanged for Moiso.


If Toronto finds that it needs to trade Carter and wants to get a star back in exchange, this is an option. Marbury is exciting and can help keep people in the seats. Anderson replaces Carter in the starting lineup, playing next to Rose with Monia as the future. Obtaining Stepania gives them help at center, especially if Araujo falters a bit in his rookie year. Mason is simply filler.


New York gets the big man they have lacked since Ewing left town - a player who will be more dominant in the East than he was in the West this year. They exchange Hardaway's bloated deal for Stoudamire's bloated, but expiring, deal. Damon also takes over at starting PG to replace Marbury. They have the depth up front to lose Mohammed, Sweetney and Harrington. They will miss Marbury but will be IMO a better team with Shaq. Maybe even a more popular team with the NY fans (they love their centers, don't they?)


Los Angeles gets, well, less than market value for Shaq. But this might be as good as it gets. It's simply tough to match contracts for the $27.7 million that Shaq will make. They literally have no front court other than Shaq today. After this trade, they have 2 PF's and 2 C's. They only have Payton at PG today, after this trade they might have their PG of the future in Williams. But mostly, the trade opens the door for the Lakers to be Kobe's team. I don't think he'll re-sign with LA until Shaq is traded. And both SAR and Harrington have expiring contracts, giving them options for next summer. And if Sweetney and Williams become good players with more playing time....

Oh, and if it's more palatable to the Lakers, Mutombo can replace Harrington and the trade still works under cap rules. He also essentially has an expiring contract (team option in 2005-06).

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OK, it's late and my brain might or might not be functioning at full capacity. Let the responses fly.....

barfo

Actually makes a lot of sense to me - but a 16 player trade makes it less than likely.

I'm not crazy about it from Portland's perspective - I'm not sure I want Carter. But I can see where others - including Nash - might.

barfo

KIDBLAZE

this thread is proof that this is gonna be a long summer
Nice work So cal I like it

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Iwatas

I'd rather see Khyrapa traded than Monia. Monia can play 2G and some SF. Khyrapa is apparently a dedicated 3 -- and we already have Darius there. Monia would be a good backup for both positions --and is the better outside shooter by all accounts.

But losing DA and Damon sounds rather excellent to me, even if I am not the biggest Carter fan. All else being equal, I'd rather trade for Marbury and go with QRich or similar on the free market.

Good work, though!

Trader Ed

nice work SCBF, but I think there are better ways to get Carter and Alvin

besides moving Shaq in this deal, it puts LA in direct FA competition with us next year. Setting aside the usual arguments of whether we, nor they will actually renounce players to get there, and be well under the cap to pursue anyone of consequence... Ray Allen perhaps?


I would also rather keep Monia than Khrayapa for the same reasons as stated above.... Damon, DA..

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kaydow

Sorry SCBF but the Lakers don't receive enough in this trade to justify shipping Shaq. SAR & role players isn't going to get Shaq. The only way LA will trade Shaq if for multiple very good players (ie, Nowitzki + Finley or Webber + Bibby) MitchK. isn't going to let Shaq walk just because he says he wants out unless he is fairly compensated (if there even is a fair trade for Shaq) A lot of players demand trades and nothing happens. There are only a few teams that even have enough parts to trade for Shaq. Even if you do a multiple team trade, the Knicks just don't have enough juice to land Shaq.

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Thanks for all your responses!

Thus the title of "Crazy Trade Idea"


But will it be a "cruel summer"?????



Good idea. I was just going off the reports that the Blazers were higher on Victor than Sergei. And the final grasps of hope that Qyntel can step up and fill the backup SG responsibilities starting this year.


I honestly didn't think about that. But, yes, it potentially puts the Lakers into FA bidders next summer while taking the Blazers completely out of that picture.


No, as I mentioned in my post, it doesn't bring back "equal value". It does, however, give the Lakers a decent front line. I don't think, though, that the Lakers will find ANY deal that gives them equal value. At that point, if they feel that trading Shaq is the only way to retain Kobe, Buss will probably order Kupchak to make the best deal possible. And, as Trader Bob points out, this deal even gives the Lakers the option of entering the 2005 FA market.

meru

How about a slightly smaller deal:

Portland trades:
PF Shareef Abdur-Rahim (to Seattle)
C Dale Davis (to Toronto)

Seattle trades:
SF Rashard Lewis (to Toronto)
C Calvin Booth (to Portland)

Toronto trades:
SF Vince Carter (to Portland)
PG Alvin Williams (to Portland)

TRADE ACCEPTED

Portland gets Carter, Williams and Booth
Seattle gets SAR, minutes for Radmanovic at SF and rid of Booth's horrible contract
Toronto gets Lewis and Dale (expiring contract), and ditches Alvin's contract.

Seeing what happened to Orlando's GM after trading McGrady, I think Babcock might worry about this one, though...

Trader Ed

I was thinking along these lines

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Trader Bob -

The new Toronto brass has all but said that any trade for Carter would have to return someone with enough star power to keep the fans coming in. SAR does not have that, IMO.

Also, I think they'd like to continue to give Bosh time to develop at PF, not bring in someone who will take time away from him.

Ed O

The Raptors committed like $29m to Rafer Alston. While Marbury is infinitely better, they can't really take on a big contract PG with Rafer on board...

Ed O.

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