View Poll Results: What was the biggest screwup of the summer so far?
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Cleveland: Not picking up Boozer's option
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Golden State: Signing Derek Fisher for 6 years, $37 million
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Golden State: Signing Adonal Foyle for 6 years, $42 million
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LA Lakers: Trading Shaq for no all-stars in return
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Orlando: Trading McGrady for too little
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Memphis: Signing Brian Cardinal for 6 years, $37 million
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7.69% |
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07-16-2004, 12:14 AM
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#16 (permalink)
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Originally posted by <b>ArtestFan</b>!
I also voted for the Adonal Foyle extension.
Minstrel, I remember that when Garry St. Jean got fired, you were excited about the new management team in Golden State. I'm guessing that your excitement has dissipated somewhat?
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As a Warriors sympathizer (I grew up in the Bay Area), I was excited that the incompetent St. Jean was out. I wasn't excited about Mullin (and Rod Higgins) per se, because I knew nothing about their acumen. All good feeling was due to the outgoing management.
It's very safe to say I'm cooling fast on the new management. The Adonal Foyle signing was horrific and the Derek Fisher signing was both baffling and, in conjunction with the Foyle signing, pretty much guarantees that the Warriors will go another 6 years locked into being over the cap, yet mediocre to bad in talent.
I would have been pleased with a general plan to build around Pietrus, Murphy and Dunleavy Jr. and save cap room to add perhaps one major superstar (pie in the sky dream was to try and lure Yao Ming as a free agent, since the Bay Area has a large Chinese population) to those players and see what developed.
Evidently Mullin has decided to go another route...
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07-16-2004, 12:21 AM
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#1 - Boozer.
#2 - The Signing of Adonal Foyle.
#3 - The Signing of Brian Cardinal.
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07-16-2004, 12:40 AM
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warriors might have signed fisher in anticipation of trading him or van exel somewhere along with dampier. the pacers, for example.
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07-16-2004, 12:41 AM
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Originally posted by <b>Hap</b>!
wow, I'm surprised you didn't put in the option of picking "the blazers screwing up everything humanly possible and therefore ruining our chance of ever competing in the NBA for the next 15 years!!!!!!!!! Let's move hte team! "
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That's not official yet - it hasn't been certified by the league office. So I voted Boozer - it is this year's version of Bill Duffy failing to turn in the paperwork to Orlando and thus costing his player (who the heck was that?) several million dollars. Unimaginably stupid unforced error.
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07-16-2004, 11:01 AM
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I voted for the Boozer thingy. Why? A near all-star caliber player who was perfectly matched for LeBron James. He was lost with no compensation, and there was no reason for it. Simply put, Cleveland bothched the entire process. This will hurt them short term. Long term remains to be seen if they can eventually replace Boozer with a superior FA. But if they have some bad luck and any other mistakes with their team building, they will lose LeBron. He can't be happy with Cav's right about now.
The Shaq trade was close. But it is not really a screwup of this summer, as it has been in the making for years. The wheels were set in motion when Jerry West was run out of town by Buss all those years ago when Buss made the fateful decision that he would not splurge on the talent. And since then any talent - even Hall of Famers - that ask Buss for "too much" are now gone. To the extent it was a screwup for the Lakers, was being rushed into a poor trade. Their near hysteria to get the deal done right away, and their idiotic refusal to even use Dallas and Sacramento as bridesmaids, resulted in little coming back. They got something for Shaq, but not enough.
The T-Mac trade is mostly a screwup by Orlando from the past few summers. Their terrible drafts and FA signings have doomed them. When they were forced to trade T-Mac they at least got some talent back. Interesting that T-Mac brought Orlando as much value as Shaq got the Lakers.
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07-16-2004, 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by <b>Stacka_Lee</b>!
warriors might have signed fisher in anticipation of trading him or van exel somewhere along with dampier. the pacers, for example.
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That is a possibility, but even if it comes to pass, Fisher is still getting paid more than double what he's worth.
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07-16-2004, 01:14 PM
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Why can't I choose the Blazers using the #13 pick in the draft on a 5'11" high school player?
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07-16-2004, 01:19 PM
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Originally posted by <b>tlong</b>!
Why can't I choose the Blazers using the #13 pick in the draft on a 5'11" high school player?
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Maybe because there's no indication that it was a bad move?
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07-16-2004, 02:26 PM
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Trading away one of the greatest players in NBA history for 3 mediocre talents is a boner of historic proportions. It will be remembered long after the Boozer fiasco fades. You can replace Carlos Boozer - ain't no replacing Shaquille O'Neal, not for at least a generation.
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07-16-2004, 03:01 PM
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If the rumor was true ... THE BLAZERS NOT GETTING SHAQ!
That's a deal you do twice on Sunday ...
Basically, the only loss to the Blazer's is Miles. In essence, for the year's performance, the Blaze lose Miles.
Reef > or = Randolph (or close enough for those Randolph lovers)
Patterson < Miles
Shaq > Theo
Theo is 32 ... Shaq is 32. So, that's a wash.
Miles can be replaced.
Reef is as good as Randolph.
The team basically loses no production for one of the most dominant players in the league.
Play.
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07-16-2004, 03:10 PM
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Problem is the deal wasn't offered on a Sunday... 
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07-16-2004, 03:12 PM
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I voted Boozer simply because none of the others placed and immedaite threat on the GM's jobs like it did on Jim paxson...Ohhh yeah and an agent did "resign" as a result.
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07-16-2004, 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by <b>MJG</b>!
That is a possibility, but even if it comes to pass, Fisher is still getting paid more than double what he's worth.
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No question. I was responding to why they would sign him at all, not to why anyone would think he's worth that. But it seems mediocre players on good teams can always get overpayed by a bad team if they want it.
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