SheedSoNasty

For Calvin Booth. He had great numbers in his first few years and kind of took a downward spiral, but does Danny Fortson officially kill any deal with them involving SAR?

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Ed O

Good question. I think that it does.

Between Collison and Fortson, the Sonics are actually in pretty good shape at the 4 spot now, IMO. Throw in that Radman can play some 4 and they're even better.

It's actually a pretty good deal from both sides, I think. The Mavs get more size and the Sonics get the better player while reducing the number of sub-average centers on the team.

(This is all assuming the Sonics actually play Fortson at the 4... he seems to have been playing an undersized 5 now for a few years, and I don't understand why...)

Ed O.

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QRICH

1080 said Portland was talking to Seattle prior to this trade about a Ruben Patterson for Calvin Booth trade.

keebs3

Patterson back to Seattle? I'm not too sure about that relationship between Ruben and Seattle, but to me it seems like that deal was dead before it started...

But maybe I don't know what I'm talking about.

JMK

cimalee

yuck Calvin Booth

Trader Ed

Dang it...

I want Rashard Lewis for Rahim

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Ed O

There seemed to be three primary issues with Patterson and the Sonics when he came to Portland:

1. PR issues. The Sonics were talking big about having "nice guys" and basically actively avoiding the Whitsitt path (winning over other stuff). They Sonics have done a lot of losing since Patterson left, and Ruben's been out of trouble as a Blazer, so it's possible that they'd be willing to look past his past.

2. Gary Payton. RP and Payton reportedly just didn't get along. Payton's obviously gone now (hanging out with another guy that didn't like Patterson in Kobe), so this wouldn't be a roadblock.

3. Money. For all of the Sonics' concerns about 1 and 2, if Patterson were available to re-sign cheaply as a FA, I think they would have kept him. Portland and Cleveland both were offering max MLE deals, though, which let the Sonics take the high road, rather than admit they didn't want to spend that many Starbucks on RP. Ruben's obviously making more per year now than his first year with Portland, but the relative brevity of the contract at this point might prove to be enough of a difference for the Sonics to roll the dice.

If Patterson were a good fit on the floor for the Sonics, I think that they'd be willing to move him (especially if they were able to get out from under Booth and his salary).

The thing is that Ruben's NOT a good fit. Lewis and Radmanovich are both SFs and while neither is nearly the defender RP is, they'll be using up all 48 minutes at the position and that would have meant Patterson and his big contract would rot on the bench.

A long-winded way of saying: I don't think the Sonics would have been interested.



Ed O.

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-- Sandy Koufax

cimalee

Ruben even with his baggage his way more value than Booth

STOMP

I'd much rather have Booth on board then Fortson. Danny can't defend any position close to adequately, and he's lost on the offensive end as well. He gets great rebounding stats, but thats it. At least Booth can hold his own on one end of the court, but with Swift joining James and Potopenko, the Sonics had too many 5's.

I still see the Sonics as being pretty weak at the 4.

STOMP

Trader Ed

Rahim for Lewis and Potapenko works just fine

Then S&T Miles

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