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dkap · 07-27-2004, 09:43 AM

Goodwin has to understand, we gave up the best player on the team to get SAR (and Theo). Just because he isn't contributing here, doesn't mean we shouldn't expect to get good value back for him.

Dan

**Dan** · 07-27-2004, 09:49 AM

maybe if SAR was a Duncan, or KG the Blazers might be afraid. Or if they didn't have a starting PF who would put up comporable offensive #'s.

but in all reality, as much as I do respect SAR's game and understand his rationale but not the method he went about putting it out there, SAR just ain't worth it.

Let him sit out the year, and not trade him. Just one less roster spot to take minutes away from Patterson, Viktor, Miles and Zach.

**BEEZ** · 07-27-2004, 09:57 AM

Just to throw this out there. Why does he have to be wrong for wanting a trade? Could it be possible he really feels that, Miles shouldn’t be short changed from starting, or that Portland shouldn’t have a 15 million dollar player sitting on its bench? I think they are all plausable questions that none of you have bothered to touch on, but just to bash him

ProudBFan · 07-27-2004, 10:02 AM

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Just to throw this out there. Why does he have to be wrong for wanting a trade? Could it be possible he really feels that, Miles shouldn’t be short changed from starting, or that Portland shouldn’t have a 15 million dollar player sitting on its bench? I think they are all plausable questions that none of you have bothered to touch on, but just to bash him

Those concerns are not, and should not be, for SAR or his agent to address. Those are management issues.

SAR is not wrong for wanting a trade. I think most Blazers fans see where he's coming from. BUT, the way his camp is going about it is flat-out wrong. Wrong for SAR (making him appear petty and difficult to do business with), and wrong for the Blazers (pressuring them into making a move that's not in their best interest).

PBF

**BEEZ** · 07-27-2004, 10:04 AM

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Originally posted by ProudBFan!

Those concerns are not, and should not be, for SAR or his agent to address. Those are management issues.

PBF

Why not? Its just the same as if at whatever you do, you dont want to be short changed or undervalued so why should he.

ProudBFan · 07-27-2004, 10:12 AM

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Why not? Its just the same as if at whatever you do, you dont want to be short changed or undervalued so why should he.

As long as the Blazers are paying SAR his money, they should be entitled to use him (or not) in whatever way they see fit as long as it doesn't violate the terms of his contract. It's no different here where I work or, I'm guessing, where you work either. Even if SAR is looking out for Miles' best interests as well (and that's debatable, but admirable if true) is it really his place to do so?

This sounds like the whole Brian Grant situation all over again. Anyone remember that nightmare?

PBF

**BEEZ** · 07-27-2004, 10:16 AM

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Originally posted by ProudBFan!

As long as the Blazers are paying SAR his money, they should be entitled to use him (or not) in whatever way they see fit as long as it doesn't violate the terms of his contract. It's no different here where I work or, I'm guessing, where you work either. Even if SAR is looking out for Miles' best interests as well (and that's debatable, but admirable if true) is it really his place to do so?

This sounds like the whole Brian Grant situation all over again. Anyone remember that nightmare?

PBF

Ok lets, flip and I remember the Brian Grant debacle, thats when I STOPPED being a Blazers' fan. As a fan do you HONESTLY want a 15 million dollar player on your bench taking away minutes for an up and coming young SF whos going to make almost 10 million less and hes definiely not going to be there next year SF/PF

Nightfly · 07-27-2004, 10:22 AM

He says he wants to be traded.

Doesn't he realize that making such statements is going to hurt his trade value in this day and age?

With a lower trade value, the Blazers are going to get less for him then they perhaps could have gotten.

This is what makes me upset more then anything. It's as if he's trying to "stick it" to the team in a way. This doesn't fly with me at all.

hobojoe · 07-27-2004, 10:25 AM

Can't say I blame SAR. He's on a team that only has a small chance of competing for a playoff spot this season, and he either going to be coming off the bench or starting out of position. I'd do whatever I could to finally get onto a winning team and help that team win, because as it is there isn't much SAR can do to help the Blazers, it'd be very hard to make the playoffs with their current roster. He's probably hoping he can force a move to New Jersey or somewhere else where he can start and hopefully win.

ProudBFan · 07-27-2004, 10:27 AM

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Originally posted by BEEZ!

Ok lets, flip and I remember the Brian Grant debacle, thats when I STOPPED being a Blazers' fan. As a fan do you HONESTLY want a 15 million dollar player on your bench taking away minutes for an up and coming young SF whos going to make almost 10 million less and hes definiely not going to be there next year SF/PF

No, I don't want that at all. I'd much rather see the Blazers trade SAR - for his sake as well as theirs - and get more of what they need in return. Problem is, that scenario hasn't materialized yet. So, for the moment, the best the Blazers can do WRT SAR is to try to give him time at the 3, 4, and 5 spots to keep his numbers up while they try to find him a new home.

As far as negotiations with Miles go, I have yet to see a direct quote from Miles or his agent saying that Miles is ticked at the Blazers. The only thing I've read on the subject has been from Jason Quick, and his reliability is dubious, at best. And even if Miles is ticked at the Blazers, can he really blame them for not meeting his opening demand? No one else has offered him anything yet.

I personally wouldn't be surprised if Miles isn't too happy right now. He's not getting what he asked for, so why should he be? I'm just saying that I haven't seen a first-hand quote that indicates that he's ticked. So, AFAIC, negotiations with Miles are proceeding along much more 'normal' lines.

PBF

hobojoe · 07-27-2004, 10:30 AM

You do realize by demanding a trade and hurting his value, that helps SAR don't you? Not only does it put pressure on the Blazers to do something, but they will get less for him than they should, meaning that on his new team SAR will still have better players that otherwise would've been traded in the deal for him. He hurts the Blazers and helps his next team by demanding a trade. Look at it from his point of view, what have the Blazers done for him? They've benched him for the first time in his career and yet again he's missed the playoffs. He's been with them for half a season, he doesn't feel obliged to be loyal to them so he's helping himself out by lowering his value so that his next team has a better chance of winning. It makes perfect sense from his point of view, and once again I can't say I blame him.

**HOWIE** · 07-27-2004, 10:32 AM

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Upset over a failed trade that would have sent the Blazers power forward over to New Jersey, Shareef Abdur-Rahim plans to go straight to the very top with his complaints. All the way to owner and Microsoft co-founder, Paul Allen, demanding a trade if he has to.

"I hope it doesn't come to (a holdout), but if it does, it does," Abdur-Rahim said. "I don't want that to happen; it's not me and I don't think it's indicative of who I am. But at the same time, when I left Portland after the season, I was put under the impression of one thing (being traded), and now it has changed."

This is the NBA Shareef, not Burger King, buck up little camper!

Shareef Abdul-Rahim speaks out!

**Talkhard** · 07-27-2004, 10:33 AM

Aren't we all overlooking the really big story here? Shareef's trade demands are old news. What's new, and shocking, is the fact that Blazer management told Shareef he would be the starting small forward this year!

I can only assume that (if true) this means Portland will either let Miles walk away, or trade him. But does that make sense?? Miles is an up-and-coming star whose natural position is small forward. Shareef is a guy who has always played power forward. Why would Portland give up on Miles and try to slide Shareef into a position he doesn't even want to play?

I'm very confused by all of this.

It seems to be setting the stage for bad chemistry, bad feelings, and a bad performance this year by the Blazers.

DucknBlazer · 07-27-2004, 10:39 AM

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You do realize by demanding a trade and hurting his value, that helps SAR don't you? Not only does it put pressure on the Blazers to do something, but they will get less for him than they should, meaning that on his new team SAR will still have better players that otherwise would've been traded in the deal for him. He hurts the Blazers and helps his next team by demanding a trade. Look at it from his point of view, what have the Blazers done for him? They've benched him for the first time in his career and yet again he's missed the playoffs. He's been with them for half a season, he doesn't feel obliged to be loyal to them so he's helping himself out by lowering his value so that his next team has a better chance of winning. It makes perfect sense from his point of view, and once again I can't say I bla

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