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07-27-2004, 05:33 PM
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Knowing his luck ... he'll be a Bobcat before the year is out.
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I certainly hope that doesn't happen. I hear that Johnson is a lower low-baller than Sterling.
It would be Vancouver all over again.
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07-27-2004, 08:02 PM
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Thank you for replying Playmaker. Its also good to know that you think Goodwin may have been acting a bit on his own (Goodwin seems to have more than one player involved in trying to force trades this summer).
I don't remember exactly when, but it seems to me that soon after the draft, Goodwin made the statement about Reef would not come to camp. I really was startled at that time, because it seemed like the trading period had barely begun. I just wish that Reef had been more patient, but its his salary and his agent.
I also think, that if Reef wants to be angry with someone, he should be angry with the Hawks management. They were the ones that traded him here. Apparently Cheeks did not welcome him with open arms, but it wasn't like he had no chance to show what he could do. It seems like he may have rather quickly made the decision that Portland wasn't the place he wants to be. Anyway, I hope things work out for all.
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07-27-2004, 08:15 PM
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I don't think he's the only one. I'm not so sure SAR is better, but certainly not as lopsided as some of you make it seem. Just because Zach put up 20-10 last season doesn't mean anything, SAR's been doing that almost his entire career. Neither are defensive juggernauts, so there's no huge swing there. Really, the only big advantage Randolph has is his age, which is why he's the starter and the guy they're building around, not SAR.
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I think u now realize Reef mean nothing at all to some blazer fans.
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07-27-2004, 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by <b>Playmaker0017</b>!
Knowing his luck ... he'll be a Bobcat before the year is out.
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No worry on this, I don't think Bobcat can get Reef. If they go for Reef, they will have to trade half the team away.
And for Reef, I would like him to be on NJ, Boston, NY, Cleveland or Phily. All those team have good passer and in need for low post player, they will value Reef better.
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07-27-2004, 08:26 PM
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Re: Re: reef is a follower not a leader
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Besides ... Portland isn't exactly a WINNER right now. Portland will be lucky to be much better than the Clip this year.
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you must not know much about the history of the Clippers, do you?
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07-27-2004, 09:04 PM
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Re: Re: reef is a follower not a leader
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Yes ... has been. Interesting. He's younger then Garnett ... yet, he's a has been.
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I thought you knew SAR. Like hell he's younger than kg
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07-27-2004, 09:26 PM
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Re: Re: Re: reef is a follower not a leader
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I thought you knew SAR. Like hell he's younger than kg
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Actually he is.
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07-27-2004, 10:06 PM
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Keep thinking all these salaries coming off the books are going to help you so much, but you do realize if you plan on resigning Miles this offseason and Zach next, you'll be looking at about $7 Million in cap room with no centers on your roster. You'll have no cap room to do anything but get a center, and probably a backup center too while you're at it if you don't draft one. Portland is so far over the cap, Damon's $16 Million, Theo's $11 Million, NVE's $12 Million and SAR's $14.6 Million all coming off the books still doesn't give them much room.
Derek Anderson: 2005-2006 Salary- $9,093,000
Ruben Patterson: 2005-2006 Salary- $6,353,200
Darius Miles: Estimated 2005-2006 Salary- $5,700,000
Zach Randolph: Estimated 2005-2006 Salary- $12,500,000
Sebastian Telfair: 2005-2006 Salary- $1,676,280
Viktor Khryapa: 2005-2006 Salary- $1,095,960
Travis Outlaw: 2005-2006 Salary-$901,800
2005 NBA Draft Pick(1st Rounder)- Estimated $1,300,000
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Estimated Total Salary for 2005-2006 Blazers(Also Assuming they let go of Qyntel Woods, declining the team option, if not add another $2 Million): $38,620,240
Estimated Salary Cap in 2005-2006: $45.8 Million
$45.8 Million - $38.62 Million($40.5 Million if they keep Woods)= $7.18 Million cap room
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Well, you're close. Time to pull out the updated numbers....
Portland's committed to the following salaries for 2005-06:
Derek Anderson: $9.093 million
Ruben Patterson: $6.353 million
Trenton Hassell: $4.500 million [assuming Minny doesn't match]
Sebastian Telfair: $1.676 million
Victor Khyrapa: $1.096 million
Travis Outlaw: $1.082 million
Sergei Monia : $0.848 million [estimate - before signing contract]
2005 1st round pick: $0.959 million [estimate - assuming #20 pick - before signing contract]
That's $25.607 million for 8 players. Add in 3 cap holds and Portland's minimum team salary is $26.821 million.
Now, I expect that the Blazers will NOT offer Zach an extension this summer. Instead, I believe they'll let him become a RFA next summer, in which case he'll count as $5.415 million until he signs a new contract. My guess is that if they want to play in the FA market, they'll keep him at this level until they sign a FA, then give him a big pay raise using his Bird rights.
Miles is a wildcard, though, isn't he? Let's just assume for our purposes, though, that his contract next summer is for $6.000 million (a nice round number...)
That takes Portland's team salary up to $37.427 million, including one cap hold. My best guess on next summer's salary cap is $45.55 million. That would leave Portland with $8.123 million in cap room if they renounced everyone else (Ratliff, Stoudamire, Van Exel, Abdur-Rahim and Stepania). Keeping Bird rights on any of those besides Vladimir would mean no cap room.
In the end, I agree fully with hobojoe - there's no big man FA out there worth renouncing both SAR and Ratliff AND worth not trading either of them for any value back.
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07-28-2004, 07:44 AM
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Originally posted by <b>So Cal Blazer Fan</b>!
Well, you're close. Time to pull out the updated numbers....
Portland's committed to the following salaries for 2005-06:
Derek Anderson: $9.093 million
Ruben Patterson: $6.353 million
Trenton Hassell: $4.500 million [assuming Minny doesn't match]
Sebastian Telfair: $1.676 million
Victor Khyrapa: $1.096 million
Travis Outlaw: $1.082 million
Sergei Monia : $0.848 million [estimate - before signing contract]
2005 1st round pick: $0.959 million [estimate - assuming #20 pick - before signing contract]
That's $25.607 million for 8 players. Add in 3 cap holds and Portland's minimum team salary is $26.821 million.
Now, I expect that the Blazers will NOT offer Zach an extension this summer. Instead, I believe they'll let him become a RFA next summer, in which case he'll count as $5.415 million until he signs a new contract. My guess is that if they want to play in the FA market, they'll keep him at this level until they sign a FA, then give him a big pay raise using his Bird rights.
Miles is a wildcard, though, isn't he? Let's just assume for our purposes, though, that his contract next summer is for $6.000 million (a nice round number...)
That takes Portland's team salary up to $37.427 million, including one cap hold. My best guess on next summer's salary cap is $45.55 million. That would leave Portland with $8.123 million in cap room if they renounced everyone else (Ratliff, Stoudamire, Van Exel, Abdur-Rahim and Stepania). Keeping Bird rights on any of those besides Vladimir would mean no cap room.
In the end, I agree fully with hobojoe - there's no big man FA out there worth renouncing both SAR and Ratliff AND worth not trading either of them for any value back.
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Excellent analysis So Cal Blazer Fan, and in the end our outlooks end up being very similar. It's impossible to get a definite answer, but I think we can pretty much agree that it won't be a huge offseason for signing big free agents for Portland. Regardless of what happens, Portland won't have much cap room and they'll have to fill some holes with that room. They may be handicapped even more if they end up getting Hassell, like you have in your analysis but I didn't include because I think Minnesota will match. It would definitely be beneficial to the Blazers to get rid of SAR and get some value back for him. The only way I could see it making sense to keep him and let him expire would be if somehow they could get Derek Anderson off the books after this season as well, somehow convincing someone to trade expiring contract(s) for him. That's very unlikely however, so I think at this point the Blazers should get whatever value they can for SAR. At this point they're not handicapped into having to take on bad contracts because SAR is still a good player and his contract runs up after the season. Portland just has to be careful and not make a stupid trade.
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07-28-2004, 08:07 AM
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Reguardless of where we stand on "Cap Space" Next summer, I find it simply amazing that we are even talking cap space. Remember this is a team that only but a year or so ago had a salary of near 100 Million. Didn't we with luxury tax included pay something like 150 million for our team?
The mere fact alone that within 2 years or so we will be even marginally under the cap is staggering. If anything I think that's a fairly good sign of the work that Nash and Patterson are doing for the team. I see us being competative in the future and financially smart. I'm not saying we won't go over the cap. Cause most teams seem to do that reguardless. But I don't think we will have wild abandon spending either.
I think what we will see is a Paul Allen who will pay the big $ when it's appropriate. Personally I like the looks of the Future of the blazer.
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07-28-2004, 08:24 AM
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Re: Re: Re: reef is a follower not a leader
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I thought you knew SAR. Like hell he's younger than kg
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What one has to do with the other - I'll never know.
I know my mother, but I don't know if she's older than your mother.
If I were wrong (which I am not), it would mean that I don't know when Garnett was born.
Anyhow -- he's younger then Garnett. People forget that Reef was REALLY pretty young when he entered the league.
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07-28-2004, 08:34 AM
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Re: Re: Re: reef is a follower not a leader
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I thought you knew SAR. Like hell he's younger than kg
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Kevin Garnett
Born: 05/19/76
SAR
Born: 12/11/76
so that means that SAR is just under 7 months younger than KG.
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