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**Trader Ed** · 07-27-2004, 07:40 AM

Now, I have lost respect for one of my fave players

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"I hope it doesn't come to (a holdout), but if it does, it does," Abdur-Rahim said. "I don't want that to happen; it's not me and I don't think it's indicative of who I am. But at the same time, when I left Portland after the season, I was put under the impression of one thing (being traded), and now it has changed."

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"Paul needs to understand that Shareef is not coming back there," Goodwin said. "It's getting to the point where it's ridiculous. I guess they don't see it as a problem, and I guess at some point they think that Shareef is going to say, 'Forget it, I'll play (small forward) for them.' But that is not the case. Portland, for whatever reason, is holding Shareef hostage and it's unfortunate."

Goodwin and Shareef need to understand he is under contract next season.

As we have said in countless threads. He is in a contract year, and needs to prove to the league he is worthy of big money next year, and that he is not a problem. He needs to outplay Zach and earn his minutes. Be competitive!

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"My problem with that is if you started Darius at small forward all of last year -- and Darius is supposed to be a big part of the Blazers' future -- and now I'm going to start there?" Abdur-Rahim said. "That's creating a crazy situation. What is Darius supposed to think about that? And for the team? That's not good. I don't want to be in a situation where it's uncomfortable.

"And last season, I didn't even split time at the four, and now all of a sudden you want to start me at the three and have me back up at the four? I just want to know what is really going on. Are they trying to keep me to save luxury tax dollars the next season, or what? I just want to sit down and get some straight talk."

Yes

$14.625 mil renounced does quite well

**HKF** · 07-27-2004, 07:48 AM

What if you guys dealt SAR for this?

PF Shareef Abdur-Rahim (16.3 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 2.0 apg in 31.6 minutes)
Portland receives: C Raef LaFrentz (7.8 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 1.4 apg in 19.3 minutes)
C Michael Stewart (0.5 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 0.0 apg in 5.9 minutes)
SF Walter McCarty (7.9 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 1.6 apg in 24.7 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -0.1 ppg, +1.5 rpg, and +1.0 apg.

Boston trades: C Raef LaFrentz (7.8 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 1.4 apg in 19.3 minutes)
C Michael Stewart (0.5 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 0.0 apg in 5.9 minutes)
SF Walter McCarty (7.9 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 1.6 apg in 24.7 minutes)
Boston receives: PF Shareef Abdur-Rahim (16.3 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 2.0 apg in 85 games)
Change in team outlook: +0.1 ppg, -1.5 rpg, and -1.0 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

It would leave Portland looking something like this.

C - Theo Ratliff/Raef Lafrentz/Michael Stewart
PF - Zach Randolph/Raef Lafrentz
SF - Ruben Patterson/Walter McCarty/Travis Outlaw
SG - Trenton Hassell/Richie Frahm/Qyntel Woods
PG - Damon/NVE/Telfair

Much more balanced without SAR and Miles, plus the pieces the Blazers would have added are not cancerous types of guys.

Quigly · 07-27-2004, 08:03 AM

I had been giving Rahim the benifit of the doubt. thinking that it was his agent making stuff up to keep his name in the paper. But this is very unprofessional and childish behavior. He has a high paying job and that is it. He needs to go to work and enjoy the incredible money and lifestyle and do the best he can until he becomes a free agent. those are the rules. that is the contract. Stop *****ing and crying and moaning. Shut up and get in the weight room and work on your foot speed.

ZBoFanatic · 07-27-2004, 08:07 AM

I agree. This is rediculous. He obviously doesn't know what it is like to be a General Manager of a team. The way he thinks, he'd probably assemble the 2nd coming of the Vancouver Grizzlies.

Reep · 07-27-2004, 08:10 AM

I don't understand this strategy-wise. Reef was a classy player with good stats on terrible teams. We have already acknowledged how much damage he is doing to his trade value (decreasing by the day), but does he realize that he is probably killing his chances in free agency next year? He will likely never make as much as he is making this year again. And he is going to sit it out, so he doesn't even get this years salary?

Being a good backup for one year he would likely lose some salary leverege next year. But, being a bad actor who is inflexible will lose him a lot more. There is a big part of me that hopes the Blazer just hold on to him and make him sit out with no salary, so Reef can realize what a bad decision he is making.

Clearly, Reef and his agent don't understand the realities of today's NBA. Players get overpaid, and at the end of their contracts, the value of their expiring contract is worth more than they are. If that makes the players mad, then fine, don't sign the contract. Play for less money.

**Blazer Freak** · 07-27-2004, 08:11 AM

Come on Shareef, your getting paid 14 million dollars to play Basketball. Stop *****ing and moaning about not playing. It happens, thats what it is like on a team that can actually WIN.

Playmaker I don't know how you can even say this guy is better than Randolph, and actually think he is a good person/player.

The guy is a LOSER. All he wants to do is be on a losing team so he can get his stats and make himselft look good.

GO ahaed Reef. Watch for those Knees injurys.

**ABM** · 07-27-2004, 08:16 AM

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Abdur-Rahim said he left a postseason meeting with general manager John Nash and coach Maurice Cheeks with the impression that he would be traded. Now, however, he said Nash and Cheeks are telling him that he will be the team's starting small forward, while backing up Zach Randolph at power forward.

Abdur-Rahim said this new strategy puzzles him because he doesn't play small forward and everyone on the team knows that Darius Miles is best suited for that position.

"My problem with that is if you started Darius at small forward all of last year -- and Darius is supposed to be a big part of the Blazers' future -- and now I'm going to start there?" Abdur-Rahim said. "That's creating a crazy situation. What is Darius supposed to think about that? And for the team? That's not good. I don't want to be in a situation where it's uncomfortable.

Gota admit, this IS a crazy proposition. Are the Blazers now under the impression that Miles won't be with the team next season??

mook · 07-27-2004, 08:20 AM

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Agent Aaron Goodwin said Abdur-Rahim might go straight to the top of the Blazers' hierarchy -- owner Paul Allen -- because Goodwin's sources are telling him that the Blazers are saying Allen was the one who vetoed a recent trade proposal to New Jersey.

good luck, SAR. I seem to remember Scottie Pippen saying he'd only met Paul Allen two or three times in his entire stay here.

Peaceman · 07-27-2004, 08:25 AM

I actually think Nash needs to get a handle on this situation. He needs to get the agent, SAR and Allen into the same room and sort this out. He should tell Goodwin we asked for Lucious Harris, and Collins and a pick to go through with the deal in NJ and they said Collins wasn't available which was a deal killer. He can tell Goodwin the NJ deal even with a pick was bad for SAR's value and we need a better deal before we can trade SAR. Either a top 25-30 player, young talent with star potential or expiring deals with players we like. He can also he Goodwin that demanding a trade will lower our offers and we may be forced to keep him all year. SAR needs to come out with a public face and he is staying this year, and we will try and move him ASAP. That may mean he comes to training camp here.

cimalee · 07-27-2004, 08:26 AM

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Originally posted by Blazer Freak!
Come on Shareef, your getting paid 14 million dollars to play Basketball. Stop *****ing and moaning about not playing. It happens, thats what it is like on a team that can actually WIN.

Playmaker I don't know how you can even say this guy is better than Randolph, and actually think he is a good person/player.

The guy is a LOSER. All he wants to do is be on a losing team so he can get his stats and make himselft look good.

GO ahaed Reef. Watch for those Knees injurys.

exactly reef is nowhere near close to being better than Zach

cimalee · 07-27-2004, 08:26 AM

this is so childish from a guy who said he will dowhatever to help the team win

Swoosh · 07-27-2004, 08:30 AM

$14M to play a game...whine, whine, whine

I'm so sick of these multi-millionaire crybabies whining about their situations/playing time. I'd love to see them get a real job and see how it feels to struggle to pay the bills on a monthly basis like the majority of the "real" world.

SAR's not helping his situation by going public with his trade demand, thus driving down his trade value. With his value at an all time low, the Blazers will most likely hold onto him unless a great deal is offered, which may not happen until the trade deadline. With an expiring contract, he really has no leverage, since the Blazers would most likely just cut ties with him at the end of this season if he isn't traded.

Goodwin and SAR need to keep their demands private if they want a deal to get done. The more they talk, the more likely he ends up holding out and being fined accordingly by the team. It certainly isn't helping his reputation of being a team guy.

lie2me2 · 07-27-2004, 08:41 AM

I say trade him to the Clippers or some other cellar dwelling team and let him be a good player on a lousy team for the rest of his career.

Ed O · 07-27-2004, 09:05 AM

The funniest thing? This quote from Goodwin:

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"Paul needs to understand that Shareef is not coming back there"

So the Blazers are supposed to be AFRAID if SAR doesn't show up for camp? They should fine his buttocks off and suspend him if at all possible. Save Paul Allen some money, and not really hurt the team.

Question for cap gurus: if SAR holds out the whole year, does his contract expire? Or does it get extended for another year? In other words is the year a year of participating in NBA basketball, or is it a calendar year?

Ed O.

Kmurph · 07-27-2004, 09:14 AM

I agree, this is ridiculous. Nash should just do what he is doing, refuse to part with SAR until he gets a fair offer, and what in the he!! does Goodwin know about fair value? He doesn't care about helping POR out at all.

It's really too bad it has come to this & I am sure POR is trying their best to trade SAR, but this isn't a fire sale, and if that means we have to put him on the IR all year then so be it.

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