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**Dan** · 07-30-2004, 10:12 AM

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Originally posted by tlong!

I've read reports from people actually at the RMR! If you want to convince yourself that he's 6-foot then go ahead.

so, what people "see" are more important than the actual measurements taken?

if you want to convince yourself that he's 5'10", and Al Jefferson will be the best thing since sliced bread, go ahead.

Blazer Ringbearer · 07-30-2004, 10:35 AM

If we like hearsay, I remember Nate Bishop posting that he stood toe to toe with Telfair and determined that he's a legit 6'0" in shoes.

In other news, my dad can beat up your dad.

**Minstrel** · 07-30-2004, 10:41 AM

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Originally posted by Playmaker0017!

Not even close to better.

MJ - in his first year - shredded everything that LeBron thought of doing.

Jordan was also older and playing in a defense-deficient league. At the age LeBron James was last year, Jordan was a role-playing freshman at North Carolina.

Thus, comparing NBA rookie seasons isn't very relevant.

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LeBron will be a stud... eventually a HOFer.... but better than the best player to ever play? Not likely.

It's never "likely" that someone will be the best that ever played. It wasn't likely for Jordan, either, when he came into the league.

The fact that it's possible is remarkable. James is a physical freak with great court awareness and passing skills. He's also an explosive scorer already. If he gets an outside shot down, and works on his post-up game, he's going to be a force unlike any other.

That's not to say he will eclipse Jordan. But he might.

Playmaker0017 · 07-30-2004, 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by BEEZ!
absolute nonsense. I cannot fathom why individuals think that none before Michael were better and why none after him wont be better.

No one before Michael were better.

No one had or has the skill he possessed.

I never said no one after Michael will be better. Eventually someone will ... it just isn't LeBron.

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Its called "time and Evolution". Personally I dont even think hes the best player to play ever. So NO its not inconceivable that Lebron COULD "potentially" be better than Michael

Who was better?

LeBron hasn't shown whiat Michael did. I'll admit, the kid will be phenominal ... but based on what he showed ... he'll be a pace behind.

Play.

SkywalkerAC · 07-30-2004, 11:25 AM

to me it looks like he's obviously a step ahead. he already has a better skill set than jordan at 22 to go with some physical advantages.

tlong · 07-30-2004, 11:27 AM

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Originally posted by Hap!

so, what people "see" are more important than the actual measurements taken?

if you want to convince yourself that he's 5'10", and Al Jefferson will be the best thing since sliced bread, go ahead.

Tell me Hap...what "actual measurements taken" are you referring to anyway? BTW, I'm confident that Al Jefferson will make a bigger impact than Telfair.

**BEEZ** · 07-30-2004, 11:32 AM

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Originally posted by Playmaker0017!

No one before Michael were better.

What in the world are you talking about? Did basketball start when Jordan picked up a basketball? Its debateable if hes the best ever anyway

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No one had or has the skill he possessed.

I never said no one after Michael will be better. Eventually someone will ... it just isn't LeBron.

What skill or skills did Jordan have that others did not have? I have a question will my soon to be born daughter be the President?

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Who was better?

LeBron hasn't shown whiat Michael did. I'll admit, the kid will be phenominal ... but based on what he showed ... he'll be a pace behind.

Play.

As I stated it quite debateable. Wilt, Magic, Bird even. Its a very debateable topic.

Umm Lebron just finsihed his first year in the Pros and you say based on what he showed as an 18 year old rookie out of high school he wont be better than Jordan. You win

**BEEZ** · 07-30-2004, 11:35 AM

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Originally posted by Playmaker0017!

No one before Michael were better.

No one had or has the skill he possessed.

I never said no one after Michael will be better. Eventually someone will ... it just isn't LeBron.

Who was better?

LeBron hasn't shown whiat Michael did. I'll admit, the kid will be phenominal ... but based on what he showed ... he'll be a pace behind.

Play.

Mind you also know that Jordan had to work to where he got to and most regarded Michael Jordan when he first came into the league as SELFISH. He worked to get to the point where hes DEBATED as the greatest ever.

**Dan** · 07-30-2004, 11:44 AM

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Originally posted by tlong!

Tell me Hap...what "actual measurements taken" are you referring to anyway? BTW, I'm confident that Al Jefferson will make a bigger impact than Telfair.

ah yes...the incredible shrinking Telfair...

bla-dow!

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Sebastian Telfair
(NBA.com profile)
The measurements: 6-0, 165*
From: Lincoln H.S.

The skinny: The cousin of the New York Knicks Stephon Marbury, Telfair has been in the spotlight since approximately eighth grade, and has rarely failed to live up to the hype in that time. Still, there are those who question his decision to enter the draft directly out of high school, and it's no longer unthinkable that Telfair could drop out of the first round entirely. Telfair is an incredible athlete who is as gifted with the ball as is his high-school counterpart Livingston. Alas, he doesn't have Livingston's size, and at 6-0, 165, Telfair will have a difficult time on defense against bigger point guards. Telfair's other main knock is an iffy jumper. In many ways, his skill set is reminiscent of T.J. Ford's, but Ford had two more years of development under his belt when the Bucks made him a lottery pick last year.

notice I didn't edit out the bad things said about Telfair, or that I didn't go to a completely pro Telfair site...or are the Sonics lying about his height too?

**HKF** · 07-30-2004, 11:49 AM

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Originally posted by Hap!

ah yes...the incredible shrinking Telfair...

bla-dow!

notice I didn't edit out the bad things said about Telfair, or that I didn't go to a completely pro Telfair site...or are the Sonics lying about his height too?

Of course they are Hap. The rat finks.

tlong · 07-30-2004, 11:56 AM

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Originally posted by Hap!

ah yes...the incredible shrinking Telfair...

bla-dow!

notice I didn't edit out the bad things said about Telfair, or that I didn't go to a completely pro Telfair site...or are the Sonics lying about his height too?

Sorry to break this to you Hap, but those are not "actual measurements taken." The Chicago Pre-Draft camp is considered to be the most accurate source of measurements and Telfair wasn't measured there. Wonder why?

**Dan** · 07-30-2004, 11:58 AM

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Originally posted by tlong!

Sorry to break this to you Hap, but those are not "actual measurements taken." The Chicago Pre-Draft camp is considered to be the most accurate source of measurements and Telfair wasn't measured there. Wonder why?

because he wasn't there....

tlong · 07-30-2004, 12:18 PM

Hap,

Here's a little nugget for you from Ric Bucher who was at the RMR...

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Telfair showed both why Portland made him a lottery pick and why many teams felt that was overspending for a 5-10 high school point guard. His quickness, vision and jumper off the dribble are clearly good enough to be effective in the NBA but when he tires -- as he assuredly will in back-to-backs and four-games-in-five-night stretches -- he struggles. He'll have to find a way to offset that as Tony Parker has. For now, he could set an ESPN single-season record for combined highlight and lowlight appearances, which may explain why adidas is paying him all that scratch. (No such thing as bad pub.)

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