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Stepping Razor · 08-03-2004, 09:40 AM

I think Dallas's trade of Antoine Walker to the Hawks just removed the only real competition for Jason Kidd, should he demand a trade and/or the Nets decide to blow it up and rebuild.

Does any other franchise have

a) an owner willing to pay Kidd the $90M left on his deal?

b) large expiring contracts and/or talented players to offer NJ in exchange?

I don't think so. I could have seen the Nets opting for Walker + Josh Howard over anything the Blazers could offer, but now the Mavs are talking about trying to get Kidd for... some combo of Jerry Stackhouse, Calvin Booth, Tariq Abdul-Wahad, Tony Delk, and Christian Laettner. Please.

Damon + SAR
for
Kidd + Mourning

Because NJ has those trade exceptions, I think, the deal still works on RealGM including any permutations of Lucius Harris, Aaron Williams, Vlad Stepania, Travis Outlaw, and Qyntel Woods, depending on whether the Nets want to dump more salary and/or take back more players.

If Kidd demands to leave and a deal like this becomes a possibility, the Blazers should jump on it immediately IMO. I doubt we will ever have a better chance to use all these expiring contracts to make ourselves into a contender again. Getting the NBA's best point guard for basically spare parts could save the franchise from many years of mediocrity.

Stepping Razor

**HKF** · 08-03-2004, 09:42 AM

My main contention was that Memphis and Portland were the two teams with the goods (contracts and young cheap talent) to make a deal with New Jersey.

I still believe that. Especially if the Nets want to unload Mourning as well.

**Talkhard** · 08-03-2004, 09:44 AM

Kidd's injury and his contract are the two sticking points. Swallowing a $90 million contract is bad enough, but then he's coming off an injury on top of it. Most GMs just won't take that big of a chance. Think Grant Hill.

mook · 08-03-2004, 10:00 AM

It's a little risky, but many moves that can push you into a contending team are risky.

The Pacers really stuck their neck out when they traded a proven All-Star PF/C for an unknown Jermaine O'Neal.

LA took a big gamble by giving up on Vlade Divac, a rare quality center, for a high school sg/sf in Kobe Bryant.

San Antonio gave up a season to get Tim Duncan (although they really didn't have a choice).

Detroit gave up what was thought at time the best player in the deal (Grant Hill) that landed them Ben Wallace.

The list goes on. Fact is that it's really rare to assemble a contending team like Trader Bob did. (He used Allen's money and some savvy trades to get Wallace, Pippen, Smith and Bonzi without really giving up much.)

Most contenders at some point roll the dice to get there. For every team that succeeds at rolling the dice, there's at least two who fail. Miami is the biggest risk taker this year.

Kidd's a risk, no doubt about it. But he's a risk we HAVE to take if we get the chance.

Mr. Chuck Taylor · 08-03-2004, 10:07 AM

You can make the argument that kidd is the best point guard in the league, but he certainly isn't the most valuable. When you take into consideration his age, injury problems and that mammoth contract, his value seriously diminishes. On the surface, SAR + Damon for Kidd is a no-brainer. But IMO if he was a free agent right now I wouldn't sign him to a $90 million, 5 year deal, let alone take on that contract and give up SAR and Damon in the process.

I just think we should stay the course and plan to clear cap room for next summer. I would rather spend a big chunk of change on someone young next year like AK47, Gasol, or even Ray Allen.

Do we really want to be paying a 36 year old Kidd over 21 million in the 08-09 season?

**HKF** · 08-03-2004, 10:11 AM

I don't think you guys have the money, even with all the contracts coming off the books to offer anyone the maximum or big time money, that is unless you don't want to sign Zach Randolph to an extension.

**Trader Ed** · 08-03-2004, 10:13 AM

I think Dallas getting Jason Terry does end the Kidd sweepstakes for them

I think the better deal for NJ would be:

Portland trades Damon $15.75 mil + DA $8.4 mil + Woods $1.1 mil =$25.25 mil
NJ trades Kidd $14.7 mil

In the same transaction, but essentially 2 seperate deals to satisfy the CBA, Damon is dealt for Kidd, then:

DA + Woods are received by NJ using their Kittle traded player exception. Their combined salary of $9.5 is less than the $10.3 mil or so traded player exception they have, so they can be termed replacement players. Plus they need a SG since Kittles left.

NJ gain salarys for the year, but get a huge expiring contract to replace Kidds big long term contract. the benefit of getting out from under Kidd's contract is their motivation to do it.

Portland saves $10.55 mil in team salary, $21.1 mil with taxes

**This still leaves us with the ability to trade Rahim for better positional players

Maybe sign Wes person

PG Kidd, Telfair
SG NVE, Hassell?, Person?
SF Miles, Pattterson
PF Randolph, **Rahim, Outlaw
C Ratliff, Stepania, *Sinonovic

IR Khryapa
*Reserves

Blazer Ringbearer · 08-03-2004, 10:13 AM

Agreed...

If everyone else is waiting for Kidd to heal before making a move, now is the time to get him at a bargain price for a team who is willing to take a chance.

Trading a package of Damon and Shareef for Kidd is better than the Blazers could do in the free agent market next year if they renounced all of their guys - Damon, Shareef, Theo, and NVE.

There's no way we can expect a higher caliber player coming to Portland next off-season.

I like the idea of starting Kidd and NVE together as I believe Wanker has posted...

Kidd (guards SG's)
NVE (guards PG's)
Miles
Randolph
Ratliff

Even if you get Williams or a comeback Mourning, I would look to move Patterson for a backup bigman as Hassell will take over Ruben's role on the team.

Kidd/NVE/Telfair
NVE/DA/Hassell
Miles/Hassell/Woods
Randolph/(Ruben Trade)
Ratliff/Mourning/Step

That's a HCA team, IMO.

Yega1979 · 08-03-2004, 10:15 AM

The Blazers could get Jason Kidd right now if they wanted to. If NJ offered him for Walker, they'd surely take Rahim because Rahim is better, and has an identical contract to walker.

Trading Rahim for Kidd straight up would work, and NJ would do that trade right now. It's up to Paul Allen to decide if he wants to pay Kidd's contract.

Blazer Ringbearer · 08-03-2004, 10:16 AM

TBob...

If we're taking Kidd in the deal, I don't think there's any way that WE would get to offload a bad contract. If you look at the talent in and out, we win hands down on any of these deals.

Therefore, we need to get them what THEY want, and that's expiring deals and prospects and take possibly another contract they don't like in Williams or Mourning.

Ed O · 08-03-2004, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Blazer Ringbearer!
If everyone else is waiting for Kidd to heal before making a move, now is the time to get him at a bargain price for a team who is willing to take a chance.

Totally. Assuming NJ is willing to trade Kidd for nothing more than cap space, the Blazers should most definitely get Kidd now and take their chances that he will bounce back.

Based on the decisions that Nash has made since taking over, though (both in the financial and risk-taking senses) I don't think it's going to happen.

Ed O.

Mr. Chuck Taylor · 08-03-2004, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by theWanker!
It's a little risky, but many moves that can push you into a contending team are risky.

The Pacers really stuck their neck out when they traded a proven All-Star PF/C for an unknown Jermaine O'Neal.

LA took a big gamble by giving up on Vlade Divac, a rare quality center, for a high school sg/sf in Kobe Bryant.

San Antonio gave up a season to get Tim Duncan (although they really didn't have a choice).

Detroit gave up what was thought at time the best player in the deal (Grant Hill) that landed them Ben Wallace.

The list goes on. Fact is that it's really rare to assemble a contending team like Trader Bob did. (He used Allen's money and some savvy trades to get Wallace, Pippen, Smith and Bonzi without really giving up much.)

Most contenders at some point roll the dice to get there. For every team that succeeds at rolling the dice, there's at least two who fail. Miami is the biggest risk taker this year.

Kidd's a risk, no doubt about it. But he's a risk we HAVE to take if we get the chance.

I agree that it is essential to take risks. But the wise team takes calculated risks. Each of these players were either in their teens or early 20's when aquired. Not to mention, for each one of those great players there are 10 examples of guys who didn't work out. Kidd is 31 with a knee injury, and has a huge contract. I would rather take our risk when the odds aren't so stacked against us.

mook · 08-03-2004, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Trader Bob!
DA + Woods are received by NJ using their Kittle traded player exception. Their combined salary of $9.5 is less than the $10.3 mil or so traded player exception they have, so they can be termed replacement players. Plus they need a SG since Kittles left.

I'd be happy with that deal. however, that leaves us with only NVE (and possibly Hassel and Outlaw) at SG. Not a great SG rotation.

However, Kidd is the kind of guy you get then figure out how he fits. Maybe he and NVE could make a good back court tandem, switching on players on defense.

Our outside shooting would be wretched. Worse than wretched if NVE shoots the three at 30% like he did in Golden State.

**HKF** · 08-03-2004, 10:21 AM

If the Blazers trade Rahim for Kidd, they have got to get rid of Damon too, because he is going to be upsetting the apple cart something fierce,

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