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Where'd the shoootings happen

Blaze_Rocks

Zach is a THUG! Have you not realized this yet? I mean he only broke Ruben's eye socket in practice... No big deal it wasnt your eye.... I like Zach but the difference between me liking him and the rest of the Blazer fans liking him is, I've known all along.. You know you guys may want a new image for the team... But the fact of the matter is anyone we bring in now will probably have that same thug mentality... Look around, listen to the radio, turn on the tv..Being a "G" or thug is hip and trendy, and not just in the black community... I dont see it changing anytime soon...As far as ratting on my own brother goes, that would never happen..

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Meru, no, I wouldn't lie for my brother and I wouldn't want him to lie for me.

As for Zach, just another in a long line of problems with his judgement & the law. Trade him, sign SAR for 3 years and let's play ball.

trifecta

I'd do exactly what Zach reportedly did.

I'd lie to protect my brother and then go home and talk him into doing the right thing. If he refused and I was questioned again, I'd most likely tell the truth since I'd assume the police would have already gotten the true story from several other people.

Also this would give me some time (if I was Zach) to get my attornies involved.

Playmaker0017

Which is lie about an attempted murder of 3 people?

Talk? Once you've lied about it, you're done. There isn't any going back.

I'm sure if you watched your brother murder, in cold-blood, you'd change your tune.

And then you would be an accessory and be tried for obstruction of justice.

Play.

Scout226

But we're talking about practice, man.. I've seen two good friends give each other black eyes, etc after a night of drinking. Things happen in the heat of the moment(let me note I'm talking about trash talking or fights.. NOT MURDER).. So, I don't see that incident as any big deal.

Zach's other incidents like drinking/driving under age.. No biggie.. Stolen weapons? well, that is a biggie, but he was also still in HS, so I can give him a mulligan on that.

I can see being a G or thug as hip and trendy for people around 14-25yrs of age.. I understand that. I haven't seen many 50yr olds thinking it's cool though. Also, when it comes to attempted murder..well, that crosses the trendy line in my book. Even with that crap being hip and trendy, it doesn't mean everyone is doing it and it's the right thing to do..

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mook

I probably wouldn't say a thing to the cops until I consulted my attorney. It's my constitutional right. It'd be a huge red flag to the cops and make me look suspicious, but it's worth it to me. I'm a careful person in these kind of matters, and I don't lie unless I know as much as I can about the circumstances.

After talking to my mouthpiece, I'd have a better idea about how likely it is my brother gets busted without my testimony.

If there were dozens of witnesses already coming forward, then there is no point in lying. He's done for anyway. Might as well tell the truth. Why stick my neck out by lying for no reason?

If there were no other witnesses willing to come forward, it would really depend:

In my opinion, was my brother just defending himself, but could easily be misinterpreted as being reckless? Then I would lie for him.

Was my brother, in my judgement, behaving recklessly? If yes, I would not lie for him under any circumstance. Being reckless with a gun is not likely a one-time incident. If he got away because I lied and then killed somebody later, I couldn't live with myself.

May seem like a Kerry-esque answer, flled with caveats, but that is often the nature of ethics. If you want good/bad, black/white, go watch a Stallone movie.

Blazer Ringbearer

I really hate lying, so I wouldn't want to...

I'm also really bad at it, so that would be tough.

But if I thought it would save my brother's life and not endanger the lives of others, I might give it a shot.

I think the problem in Zach's case is that he just didn't go through this sort of thought process. I doubt it's because he doesn't have the capacity to think (something I suspect of Ruben), he just doesn't seem to be in the habit of doing it.

He seems like someone who could have used a couple more good role models growing up. Regardless, I don't think it gives him a free pass.

Dude is in serious hot water...

Good thing we got rid of that terrible Sheed guy, right? Nevermind, I'll let Eric start that thread...

tlong

I really don't think Zach's in hot water. He might get a midsemeanor, but that's it in my opinion. I don't believe he acted responsibly in this situation, but I would be shocked if there are any serious legal ramifications to Zach due to this incident.

Oldmangrouch

OK, a few points to ponder:

1) Zach's brother is his own person and responsible for his own actions. The fact that Zach is a "celebrity" doesn't change that.

2) Many people here in Oregon have concealed weapon permits. I am sure some of them are folks I know. I don't ask, because it is *none of my business*. Does that make me somehow responsible for their conduct? Nonsense!

3) A more sophisticated person would have insisted on speaking to an attorney. Zach isn't that sophisticated. His feigned ignorance was bad judgement, but it was also understandable.

4) I notice that some folks have begun describing this as "attempted murder." Did the brother go to the bar *intending* to shoot those people? How did the fight start? Who was the aggressor? DO ANY OF YOU REALLY KNOW WHAT HAPPENED??

Lord, I hope some of you folks are never called to serve on an actual jury.

5) One report now says Zach was trying to physically restrain his brother and *prevent* the shooting. If that proves to be true, I am sure some folks will somehow warp that into proof of guilt.

Don't some of you get tired assuming the worst?

Blazer Freak

Exactly man. None of us know jack**** about this, so why don't we all just shut up and let the real facts come out. Then you guys can ***** and moan.

BFreak.

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cimalee

isnt this the truth people are so quick to judge man its crazy , Zach didnt do anything I could see if he was the shooter then yall could complain

deanwoof

i was there. i was also the guy filming for r kelly and in colorado with kobe. i also spoke to oj. he wants his acting career back.

it's easy to assume. and that's why this is a discussion board. and seeing how the law works, we will never know what really happened.

*flame on*

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