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08-24-2004, 12:23 PM
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um as of right now they are saying he MIGHT have mislead police, some need to not be so quick to jump on him until charges are filed. Zach may be telling the truth. I mean so far witnesses have gave 2 different storys themselves. Give it time
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08-24-2004, 12:42 PM
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The report I saw said Zach was holding his brother (which sounds like trying to restrain him or throw him down for cover), but then told police he didn't know who was shooting. That could be the truth (he was trying to get his brother out of harm's way without seeing the gun) or he could be feigning ignorance (trying to hold him back). I would certainly do the same action in the first case, and probably feign ignorance in the second case, too.
I'd be curious to know the motivations for his brother before I judge him. Self-defense (3 on 1?)? Revenge? Preemptive strike for some (perceived) threat? Escalation from some (perceived) insult? Don't know, and it does make a difference. It might have something to do with Zach, making an accomplice of some sort if it was planned, or nothing at all, a victim of his brother's circumstances.
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08-24-2004, 01:04 PM
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I thought about it a little more since my last post, and I changed my mind.
I would lie, no matter the circumstances. I might feel guilty and destroy my life in the process, but if I decided that there was a decent chance that my lies could help my brother, then so be it. Unless I KNEW that my brother would do this again. Anything less, and I would lie.
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08-24-2004, 01:05 PM
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I have no sympathy for people who shoot guns at others... even if they miss. (Self defense is another issue though) Sounds like Zach might have been *trying* to do the right thing, but then dang... he didn't have to lie... he could have said nothing. All these things that keep happening to the Blazers... people on here act like they are just random once in a 100 lifetime occurrences... but I don't buy that... they make themselves more susceptible by hanging out in the wrong places and with the wrong people.
I don't think he will be charged... the whole thing will go away. They are just posturing. The damage to his image is done in some people's mind already though.
Would I lie to protect my brother if he tried to kill people and shot a gun in a crowded public place? Nope... I'd beat him senseless. (After the guns were gone of course)  I understand the loyalty thing... but when someone really messes up like that, they are on their own. Defending someone acting stupid only encourages it.
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08-24-2004, 01:31 PM
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The question is:
Was Zach really the shooter and his brother is basically covering for Zach?
From the reports, people are saying that they thought Zach fired shots.
So, the real question is -- did Zach fire the gun?
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08-24-2004, 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by <b>Playmaker0017</b>!
The question is:
Was Zach really the shooter and his brother is basically covering for Zach?
From the reports, people are saying that they thought Zach fired shots.
So, the real question is -- did Zach fire the gun?
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You're hoping Zach did, aren't you? I'm sorry man, it was his bro.
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08-24-2004, 01:51 PM
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You're hoping Zach did, aren't you?
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Why would I be hopeful?
I don't want Reef to play in Portland. Ever. So, I wouldn't want them to PF-less.
I have no opinion on the matter, really. I think, and have thought, that Randolph is little more than a petty thug. I know how he treated Reef when Reef arrived. So, I dislike the guy.
I just find it pathetic that a full grown man can't act like an adult. Everyone gave me reasons, but none really suffice.
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I'm sorry man, it was his bro.
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Well, considering you aren't an eyewitness, I'll take their accounting of the event over yours.
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08-24-2004, 02:10 PM
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Originally posted by <b>Playmaker0017</b>!
Why would I be hopeful?
I don't want Reef to play in Portland. Ever. So, I wouldn't want them to PF-less.
I have no opinion on the matter, really. I think, and have thought, that Randolph is little more than a petty thug. I know how he treated Reef when Reef arrived. So, I dislike the guy.
I just find it pathetic that a full grown man can't act like an adult. Everyone gave me reasons, but none really suffice.
Well, considering you aren't an eyewitness, I'll take their accounting of the event over yours.
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Ok. I am 99.9999% sure that Zach did not pull a trigger. I know his him and his bro, and Roger would pull a trigger, Zach would not--simple as that.
I will give you that Zach hasn't handle things as well as he could have, but you give him 0% credit, and always expect the worst when he really has not done anything with bad intentions.. well not in 7 years anyway, when he was 16 (before he knew what the future had in store for him).
The trouble he's gotten into have all been of the same nature... understandable. 1 drink a month before his 21th birthday. Popping a guy who had body slammed him and had a history of being a punk to everyone. Acted like he didn't know who went trigger happy in a club because he didn't want to be the one to rat out his bro. Okay.. the guy's a little immature, but you make him out to be a lot worse than he really is just because of the Reef situation.
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08-24-2004, 02:16 PM
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Ok. I am 99.9999% sure that Zach did not pull a trigger. I know his him and his bro, and Roger would pull a trigger, Zach would not--simple as that.
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That isn't the exact report given to the cops when the thing happened.
Fortunately for Zach, they eased off that trigger (pardon the pun).
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Okay.. the guy's a little immature, but you make him out to be a lot worse than he really is just because of the Reef situation.
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I don't know if I make it worse. That is just my opinion of the cat.
I don't have much respect for him - and I wouldn't trust that he could keep his nose clean for a duration of a large contract.
That's just my opinion.
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08-24-2004, 02:34 PM
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Ok. I am 99.9999% sure that Zach did not pull a trigger. I know his him and his bro, and Roger would pull a trigger, Zach would not--simple as that.
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Sounds like you're right..
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At the time of the shootings, Roger Randolph was out on bond after being charged earlier this month in Marion with carrying a handgun without a permit and marijuana possession.
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Obviously Roger isn't the sharpest tool in the shed..

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08-24-2004, 04:59 PM
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Which is lie about an attempted murder of 3 people?
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While I'll never be in that situation (and we definitely don't know that that's what it was,) I honestly doubt it. Initially. I just can't imagine a situation where my first response wouldn't be to protect my brother.
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Talk? Once you've lied about it, you're done. There isn't any going back.
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I don't understand your point. To be clear, I'm not talking about protecting myself.
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I'm sure if you watched your brother murder, in cold-blood, you'd change your tune.
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Could be true.
What I do know is that in virtually any felony situation, I'd force my bro to do the right thing - i.e. Turn himself in.
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I think that for me at least, that would be a given - and acceptable penalty for following my beliefs and values.
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08-24-2004, 05:16 PM
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MY comment relates to his brother - if you have any respect and love for your big hoop star brother how can you get involved with **** like this when he's around? He's the one (most likely) with all the money in the family, and everyone's prolly expecting him to help everybody out.
Its extremely inconsiderate to put Zach in this position in the first place, knowing that he'd want to protect Roger, even if it meant harming himself.
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08-25-2004, 10:31 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by <b>Playmaker0017</b>!
The question is:
Was Zach really the shooter and his brother is basically covering for Zach?
From the reports, people are saying that they thought Zach fired shots.
So, the real question is -- did Zach fire the gun?
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stop being a hater dont hate Zach because hes better than your favorite player
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08-25-2004, 11:00 AM
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stop being a hater dont hate Zach because hes better than your favorite player
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I certainly don't hate Zach for that reason, because quite honestly, I don't think Zach is as good as Shareef.
Thus, it would be hard for me to make that linkage.
I don't dislike Tim Duncan, and he's better. I don't dislike Garnett and he's better.
Yet, I really dislike Zach.
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