MJG

The first post mentioned Joe Johnson as a potential player to think about in a trade for Randolph, and the response was saying that Phoenix already has Amare at that position.

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PorterIn2004

Portland trades: PF Zach Randolph (20.1 ppg, 10.5 rpg, 2.0 apg in 37.9 minutes)
SG Ruben Patterson (7.0 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 1.9 apg in 22.6 minutes)
SG Derek Anderson (13.6 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 4.5 apg in 35.5 minutes)
Portland receives: SF Keith Van Horn (16.1 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 1.7 apg in 32.5 minutes)
SG Michael Redd (21.7 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 2.3 apg in 36.8 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -2.9 ppg, -5.8 rpg, and -4.4 apg.

Milwaukee trades: SF Keith Van Horn (16.1 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 1.7 apg in 32.5 minutes)
SG Michael Redd (21.7 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 2.3 apg in 36.8 minutes)
Milwaukee receives: PF Zach Randolph (20.1 ppg, 10.5 rpg, 2.0 apg in 81 games)
SG Ruben Patterson (7.0 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 1.9 apg in 73 games)
SG Derek Anderson (13.6 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 4.5 apg in 51 games)
Change in team outlook: +2.9 ppg, +5.8 rpg, and +4.4 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

That leaves Portland looking at something like:

PG Damon, NVE, (Telfair)

SG Redd, NVE, (Frahm)

SF Miles, Van Horn

PF SAR, Van Horn

C Theo, JP


Seems to me that the Bucks might be eager enough to dump Van Horn that, even at the cost of Redd, they might be okay with taking on both Patterson and DA for the shot at Randolph. If not, I'm sure there are other solutions that could be worked out. The idea of getting to see Miles, SAR, and Redd working together appeals to me.

Tersk

I thought that he was insinuating trading ZBo to Phoenix for JJ, I was saying that Phoenix wouldnt do that since they have Amare

NateBishop3

if we decided to trade Zach, and that's a BIG if, I would say go for Redd. He fits perfectly with what we're trying to do.

Will it happen? I doubt it...

cimalee

reef is not the answer , Zach is still youngand wants to get better

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riehldeal

DA or Frahm sure as hell arent the answer at SG!...i mean yea in the long run Zbo might be better than SAR but SAR isnt a bum, when given time he would come close to Zbo type numbers i believe (around 18 and 9), couple that with the addition of an all star type 2 guard in redd and i think you have yourself a situation worth trading zach for

Playmaker0017

Yes, and I told some girl last night that I was a surgeon. So what?

I remember Reef saying that he was "happy" to be in Portland when the trade happened.

It's called "fibbing".

Playmaker0017

So what, my 2 year old cousin is young and wants to get better. I think the Blazers should sign him based on potential.

Zach MIGHT be able to duplicate last years performance. He MIGHT do it when he signs a big contract.

Reef has done those numbers year in and year out ... through triple teams ... with fewer shots.

Finally, I don't think there is a player in the league that "wants to get worse". They ALL want to get better.

Playmaker0017

Why would Shareef's numbers DECLINE since he's hit his prime?

Every year he's gotten more efficient, scoring 20 points on fewer and fewer shots.

I don't know why he'd all of a sudden become an 18 PPG guy.

Trader Ed

Great minds think a like

Beat ya to it... and I added in Woods for good measure *LOL

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Iwatas

The experiment which has Miles/Reef/Z-Bo all playing the 3 and 4 should be short-lived. SAR is being showcased, and he is also being evaluated by the Blazers as a keeper. None of these 3 players is going to reach their potential playing only 30 minutes a game.

Of all the 2Gs in the game who might be available, Redd *has* to be our top choice. Allen is aging and we will not be contenders soon enough for him. Pierce and Carter are not the shooters which this team needs, esp. in this era of zone defense.

Redd's numbers are slightly better than Allen's for everything except assists. And Redd is very young. If you compare Redd to Allen at the same age, Redd is better.

Look at it this way. A team needs to have several pieces to be very good. It has to:

A. Be defensively smart and strong. This is a serious weak area for the Blazers. One of the best players at this, DA, is otherwise challenged. The best one-on-one defender, Patterson, has roof tiles for brains. I always worry about how he will screw up.

B. Dedicated enforcers down under. Neither Z-Bo nor SAR own the paint like a Maurice Lucas or Karl Malone or even Sir Charles. We are relying on Ratliff for this, though he plays only C and has a lot of miles on the odometer.

C. Selfless play -- great sharing. In the Damon era, this has been my greatest frustration. I love the point guard, because I love what a great PG can do for the beauty of the game. I am over the moon about Telfair: he is a keeper.

Slashers. These are a dime a dozen: Outlaw, Q... And we have a very good one in Darius Miles. The *last* thing the Blazers need is another slasher. The zone limits their effectiveness anyway. This is why Vince Carter does not excite me.

Shooters: The best shooter on our team from midrange out is Damon. Ouch. I think everyone agrees that this is the weakest position. It is also a position where we have potential in the Russians, and perhaps a decent backup in Frahm. DA is a second tier shooter, and he hurts the team. I'd hate to have to rely on his shooting touch in a playoff game.

So what does this team need? It needs time and practise and hard work to gel as a defensive unit. For that, more than anything else, we need a better coach.

It also needs Michael Redd. I would be happy to give up Z-Bo for him. Z-Bo is an overachiever, and I love his work ethic. I am sure he will be an all-star for many years to come. But so will Redd. And Redd can dominate his position in a way Z-Bo cannot. Not least, Redd is a great player even though he is a good defender. If Z-Bo had to expend energy on defense, I think his offense would suffer.

SAR is 27 or 28. He has 3-5 good years ahead of him. In that time, the Blazers could easily get another PF; they are not thin on the ground or in the draft. And in that time, with Redd, SAR, Miles, Telfair, and Ratliff/Przlklkwrd, I believe the Blazers could be a contender. SAR is an All-Star. Redd is Ray Allen Mark II. Miles, surrounded by hard workers could get to that level. Telfair could be *great*, and I love his work ethic. And the Rattler is the enforcer down low.

Get Redd!