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**Blazerfan024** · 10-28-2004, 05:49 PM

im sorry but some of these trades are absurd!

how do we go from trade Zach for Redd to trade Zach for KIDD
yea real good deal, we get a broken Kidd who MAY NEVER play to his full potential again which odds are against him , who is 31 and ending prime. Id do the Sar for Kidd but trading Zach for him is a joke.

Terrible · 10-28-2004, 06:02 PM

This really makes me wonder if the Portland brass knows jack squat about hoops. Trader Bob knew big deals and jack squat about hoops and it seems that our new GM might be just as challanged.

We need a shooting guard! Not a broken down PG with an attitude.

I swear this whole board could run this team better than the overpaid jerk offs we have now.

RP McMurphy · 10-28-2004, 06:08 PM

For the record, this "broken-down" PG is coming off a season when he was on the All-NBA First Team for the fifth time in the past six years. If that makes him broken down, just about every other player in the league must be broken down too.

Let's at least give Jason Kidd a chance to come back from this injury before we call him "done." I have a feeling that when he comes back in January or February and shows that he can still play, other teams will be offering a lot more than Shareef Abdur-Rahim for him.

Terrible · 10-28-2004, 06:20 PM

30 years old and no outside shot with and enormous contract and a bad wheel. I think it's okay to pass on him, Lord knows the rest of the league isn't beating down the Nets door for him. Otherwise why would they be entertaining SAR only for Kidd?

A year ago this trade would not have been even laughed at. Something must be very wrong with Kidd to go that cheap for a back up PF on our team.

**NateBishop3** · 10-28-2004, 06:37 PM

I think a lot of you are failing to see the big picture here. Randolph is looking at a contract that should put him into his 30's... This is his one chance to cash in. If he were to sign a crappy deal now, he'd have to live with it for most of his career.

Let's say eventually he goes on to average 25 and 12.... And I think some of you forget that he was VERY close to averaging numbers like that last season. Name one player in the league putting up numbers like that who ISN'T making max numbers? I can't believe how quickly some of you are willing to get rid of Randolph after you *****ed and moaned about Jermaine O'Neal....

Personally, I hope Zach gets his money....

**Buck Williams** · 10-28-2004, 06:41 PM

lets Weigh the pros and cons of jason kidd

Kidd pros 1) maybe the best passer in the world at this point in time 2)Basketball IQ is as high as the force in Darth Vader

3)i think that his knee will heal nicely 4)could be the best teacher avalible for telfair along with Nick Damon and Moe 4)Will grow miles game to LEGENDARY level 5)manymore to many to think of

Cons 1) Huge contract 2)May not come back to the old jason Kidd
3)Damon Stoudamire would probably go in the trade and we would probably get Mourning who will never play again4)NO jumper what so ever

I say pull the trigger on this deal befor NJ comes to there senses

**STOMP** · 10-28-2004, 08:09 PM

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Originally posted by Terrible!
30 years old and no outside shot with and enormous contract and a bad wheel. I think it's okay to pass on him, Lord knows the rest of the league isn't beating down the Nets door for him. Otherwise why would they be entertaining SAR only for Kidd?

Geez when are you ever going to stop passing off the rumors we're privy to as whats actually going down. We don't know jack about whats really being spoken of as evidenced by not having a clue on 99% of the trades that go down.

Kidd btw, has been cleared for non-contact drills and supposively is working out like a mad man.

STOMP

Playmaker0017 · 10-28-2004, 08:24 PM

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Originally posted by NateBishop3!
Let's say eventually he goes on to average 25 and 12.... And I think some of you forget that he was VERY close to averaging numbers like that last season.

Huh?

Are you insane?

He's as close to averaging 25/12 as a guy who averaged 15/8 was to 20/10.

Truth is, that guy is nowhere NEAR 20/10 and Zach is nowhere near 25/12.

Play.

Terrible · 10-28-2004, 10:05 PM

Well Stomp, things to think about.

Kidd can't shoot, sure he can pass but isn't that what Telfair is for? Kidd has a huge ego and got his last coach fired and beat his wife. All very attractive bonuses to bring him to Portland a kinder gentler team that fans can support.

If that's not enough, how about that enormous contract and the fact that Telfair will not want to sit the bench for the next four years behind him.

What other teams have you heard that have made a big push for Kidd? I've not heard of one.

BTW- Stomp, DA was also cleared to contact drills for the last three years, that's seemed to work out well!

**SheedSoNasty** · 10-28-2004, 10:14 PM

A deal for Michael Redd has never sounded better. As much as I like Zach and his potential to grow, potential shouldn't warrant the type of deal he's demanding. The last thing I'd like to see is us locking up an untradable player for a ton of money who doesn't make this team better... if he doesn't improve on his glaring weaknesses, of course.

**Trader Ed** · 10-28-2004, 10:17 PM

just two words everyone

SHAWN KEMP

remember how much of an effect his contract had on our team payroll............. these are Kemp type deals

Terrible · 10-28-2004, 10:29 PM

That's what I'm saying !!!!!! On top of that Kemp in his prime was way better as a team player than Zach.

If we max Zach, we can kiss goodbye smart basketball in Portland for the next 7 years.

First round and out if we are lucky.

Really dumb!

dkap · 10-28-2004, 10:53 PM

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I think a lot of you are failing to see the big picture here. Randolph is looking at a contract that should put him into his 30's... This is his one chance to cash in. If he were to sign a crappy deal now, he'd have to live with it for most of his career.

Who says all contracts have to be 6-7 years?

Give him a 3 year deal at $7M per as an intermediate step and see if he warrants something bigger after that. If he does and decides to bolt, oh well, at least we got a few more years...

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Kidd has a huge ego and got his last coach fired

Uh, isn't that exactly what we've been begging for the past 2 years?

Dan

**STOMP** · 10-28-2004, 11:25 PM

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Originally posted by Terrible!
What other teams have you heard that have made a big push for Kidd? I've not heard of one.

Thats my point. You, like me, probably are privy to next to nothing of whats actually going down. Wild geese flying out of rumorville are not necessarily actual trade proposals sitting on some GM's desk awaiting his signature.

To answere your other stuff...

-Everyone would probably want to see how Jason's health is before trading for him, so I don't think anything is likely to happen in the short term.

-ST can sit for a few more years while he fills out.

-Kidd does have possible character concerns... I figure Nash has a pretty good handle on how he is and I'm just assuming a possitive assessment for discussions sake.

I wish the DA joke was funny.

STOMP

**NateBishop3** · 10-29-2004, 01:41 AM

I'm not talking for a full season Play, I'm saying Randolph was averaging darn near 25 and 12 for part of last season.... I think he had 24 and 11.5..... That was for the first half of the season. That's not a fluke.

wait.... let me read that again...... nowhere near 20 and 10?!?!?!

Go check his stats dude...

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/zach_r....html?nav=page

20.1 points and 10.5 rebounds for last season.

Seriously man.... sometimes your man-crush on Reef goes too far.

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