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Old 10-28-2004, 04:26 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Zach rejects new contract offer

According to folks on the O-Live forum, 1080 is reporting breaking news RE: Zach and SAR.

It's probably nothing, but we'll see. They are at commercial right now.
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Old 10-28-2004, 04:28 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Sounds like Portland has upped their offer to Zach and he's rejected it.

6 years/$75 million
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Old 10-28-2004, 04:30 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Now they're saying Rahim for Kidd may happen.
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Old 10-28-2004, 04:42 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Do it already.

I'm sick of Zach Randolph.

Unfortunately for Reef, people will again say he can't win ... and there is little chance that team has at doing just that.

Still makes more sense to go for Wally.

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NOOOOOOOOOOO!

Kidd would make us a better regular-season team, but not a better half-court playoff team!

Hold out for someone with a better fit.
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NOOOOOOOOOOO!

Kidd would make us a better regular-season team, but not a better half-court playoff team!

Hold out for someone with a better fit.

Lets hold out for someone with a better knee!!
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I wonder if it's Zach instead of SAR who might be traded for Jason Kidd, once his contract is signed?

Or would he be a "base salary compensation" player?
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Yes... anything above 120% makes him BYC.....

but that would be his extension... next year

if he is traded now, this years salary of $1.8 mil is what we match it up to the other player coming back
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they still need a PG...

Damon + Zach for Kidd + Mourning works
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I wonder if it's Zach instead of SAR who might be traded for Jason Kidd, once his contract is signed?

Or would he be a "base salary compensation" player?
I think that is wishful thinking.

The Blazer Brass have hitched their pony to Randolph. It's too bad too ... Kidd/Reef would have been stellar.

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Sounds like Portland has upped their offer to Zach and he's rejected it.

6 years/$75 million
ridiculous....

PRIDE

does he remember before he was drafted, just how much money that is
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Yes... anything above 120% makes him BYC.....

but that would be his extension... next year

if he is traded now, this years salary of $1.8 mil is what we match it up to the other player coming back
Damon + Zach for Kidd + 1st round pick(s)?
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too much for KIDD IMHO

Kidd does nto want to come to PDX... he said so recently
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Old 10-28-2004, 06:14 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I wouldn't put too much stock into the Kidd doesn't want to play for POR. I have no doubt that it isn't on his "wish" list, but he really has to weigh the prospects of playing in N J with the team they currently have or going to POR. Which situation is a better one for him?

Playing alonside Jefferson, Mercer, Collins and Williams?

or

Playing alonside Damon\NVE, Miles, Zach and Theo?

BTW, if you thought Jefferson excelled when playing next to Kidd, just wait and see what playiong alongside Kidd would do for Darius.

It is a risk for POR, but if it is a deal for SAR, then I think it is a risk worth taking. IF Kidd was 100% healty I just don't think there is a chance in hell that this deal happens. It is only b\c of his injury and his desire to be out of NJ, sooner rather than later IMO that this is even being considered. The surgery performed on Kidd was not exactly the same as performed on Penny, I don't think it will have the same negative effects on Kidd as it did on Penny.

Also, I think you could see an Alonzo Mourning and one of NJ trade exceptions included for Damon Stoudamire (likely) or NVE. This would give NJ a TON of expiring cap relief, which could help speed up their rebuilding process and I think Mourning in a b\u role in POR would be fantastic.

POR trades SAR, Damon and Stepania

NJ trades KIdd, Mourning and uses a TE to make up the difference (IF I understand how they worj correctly)

This would make the sudden change in talks b\t Zach and POR mgmt IMO, and usually what is the most obvious reason, is in fact the case.

Kidd's game has never revolved around his speed, his on court IQ is off the charts and that is something that will not decline as he ages IMO. This is waht the POR doctors get paid for, to assess his ability to return, and if they give him a clearance sign, you pull the trigger, no questions asked.

I still don't think Zach is worth the max, just b\c, IMO MEM and UTA overpaid doesn't justify that POR should, but the only logical reason that I can see for the sudden reversal in upping their offer is if SAR is on his way out the door. I would not be adverse to seeing this deal happen at all. Althoughj, I maintain serious reservations about Zach's ability to live up to (on and off the court) a franchise player\"max level" contract. He is good, just not THAT good IMO.

BTW, I would LOVE to see POR pry Keith Bogans out of ORL.

Bogans and change for Qyntel Woods?

Please??

Heck, or a Dajuan Wagner for Woods, Wagner could play alonside a Kidd (just like a Damon or NVE would) or for that matter a DA as well (not preferable, but it could work). Having a 6'5 PG, opene up the possibilities or makes it a lot more palatable to have a smaller (6'1-6'3) SG.
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After all this talk about Zach wanting the max and what-not, my appreciation for SAR has been raised significantly. Zach is obviously an immature child who thinks he's all that. I say screw him. Trade him for a kick-A PG/SG who can dish, a la Kidd or Allen.
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