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I have only guesses to what you're trying to say here. If you're trying to say you were wrong in your earlier claims, and that you hope I didn't take offense for implying that I was deliberately lying... appology accepted.

Seriously, how can you miss such simple points? How many times do I have to say that I think ticket sales/fan interest has more to do with winning and losing and the fanbases perception that the club is competing for a championship then anything else? If PR and player conduct is so important, please explain the wild popularity of the NFL where nearly every team has multiple criminals and steroid abusers. The NFL makes the NBA's conduct issues look petty.

Winning makes casual fans giddy. To me the problem of Portland's fan apathy (then and now) was mostly that the team needs better players, especially guards. To you apparently, it was more about PR. We disagree but thats ok.

They won 8 of 10 after they traded McInnis for Miles and got DA off the IR. These two things allowed them to bury the suddenly unproductive Dale Davis on the bench. To me that lineup was not only decently talented, but it fit well together. The winning that followed seemed to be a product of this. Optimism was in player comments, this board, and reflected in boosted attendance.

I have only guesses at what #'s you're refering to... attendance?

I think overall he was the Blazers key guy on that team in most everyone's opinion. It only took Darius Miles a week to come out and compare him favorably to KG. It's my opinion that his play has never been good enough to overcome a bad backcourt and (not to bag on him as he was injured but...) Dale Davis spiralling down the toilet. I don't think his play was down to lack of effort as you seem to be saying... he was busting his hump playing big minutes covering the opponents key frontcourt guy from 3-5 every night while Zach was the focus on the other end.

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Dan

than explain why during the 90's, when the team was 1st and out for 6 straight seasons, the attendance #"s at the RG was much higher?

why is it that, despite going to the WCF's 2 years in a row, people were *****ing about the players back then?

why were some companies who owned suites threatening to not renew BEFORE last season?

comparing the NFL to the NBA isn't really a point you want to argue. It's a vastly different sport. Why is it that in MLB, nearly every team *doesn't* have multiple criminal and roid abusers? MLB makes the NBA's conduct issues look outright attrocious.

if you've noticed my stance in the past, it's a combo of both. I liked Rasheed (still do). But HE drove away some fans. (as did JR, and Bonzi). He was also made into a scapegoat by the media, and some fans.

I think it's better to have a team that doens't have several knuckleheads, than it is to have one with several. I mean, how come Portland was a team that had *several* of them?

IIRC, DA wasn't that productive to start out. I think the change in players made a difference. Same with Bonzi being traded. (Bonzi, remember, is a player I liked, and like today. He just wore out his welcome, and didn't seize the day here).

I think too much has been made into the attendance #'s personally. There were times when the MC and RG were packed (or damn close) and the overal fan base wasn't nearly as interested. Sure, the circumstances were different (size of arena, and cost to go) but it does say something.

we are a loyal fan base, but you can only have piss passed off as wine so many times in your life.
I think I meant Sheed's winning %s pre and post trades.
I don't put as much into a player coming into to a new city, sucking up to it's best player(s) as you do apparently.
this i agree with. I think I've said it in the past, I would've rather kept Rasheed had he warmed himself up a tad, and we had a decent backcourt.
Dale wouldn't put the effort he used to put out. Maybe it's because he's older, maybe it's because he's just a grumpy man who wasn't getting playing time he felt he needed. But he's a strong buck. And he'd be half assing it for rebounds or put-backs.

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when will the loss of life end?

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TP3

Hey NathanLa....

Who freakin' cares.

RoddneyThaRippa

Why would he acknowledge Stern?

PorterIn2004

Not you apparently, though you did bother to post about it. And really, this has become a rather long thread, mostly without Nathan's own posts.

There are countless threads here every day that I don't bother reading and usually only one or two that I bother to reply to. I suggest that, if you don't freakin' care, you go on to another thread.

Hype #9

Because its polite.

All the other players acknowledged Stern with a smile and some words.

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roY.

TP3

Thanks for setting me straight Porter.

Talkhard

I resent the accusation, but then I'm used to you taking cheap shots at me. I have never disparaged a player based on his race; but I have criticized players for outrageous behavior, and for less than 100% effort on the court.

A couple of times I've posted about Wallace's racism, which you always seem to take offense to, as if it's beyond the pale to question a black man's motives. I'll go on telling the truth, and you can go right on defending thugs and jerks like Wallace, which seems to be your specialty.

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Dan

Talkhards comments reminded me of something that happened on Politically incorrect a long time ago..

some older guy was one of the guests..and Bill was talking about how certain people were really doing themselves bad, and what not (really saying that stupid young people are screwing themselves up big time)..

and this older guy, god bless him, goes

"hey, thats racist! I can't believe that you're talking about blacks that way!"

and bill (and the other 3 guests look dumbfounded and go)

"hold on, I never mentioned black people. You did. So you think that these characteristics are only true of BLACK people??"

the guy turned beat red, and they went to a commercial..

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A Buddhist walks up to a hot dog vendor and says "Make me one with everything".

when will the loss of life end?

The world respects the power of our example, not an example of our power.

I'd like to say I made this, but I didn't

Talkhard

I guess I don't understand the job of a moderator. I thought you were supposed to help keep peace on the board, not accuse other posters of racism.

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Dan

you apparently missed the point of my post.

YOU didn't say ANYTHING about race (i.e., bill mahr) in the manner you've been accused of. You were then basically told you did by someone else implying that you said only applied to blacks (the old guy).

I was *defending* you.

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A Buddhist walks up to a hot dog vendor and says "Make me one with everything".

when will the loss of life end?

The world respects the power of our example, not an example of our power.

I'd like to say I made this, but I didn't

ProudBFan

Talkhard will hereafter be known as Insertfoothard.



PBF

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PorterIn2004

I have to say, that's pretty priceless, PBF.