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KingSpeed · 11-04-2004, 11:36 AM

"We just looked at the results and the fact that he made his teammates better.

"It was difficult when he was in Portland. The expectations were so high, and I think they were all directed at him. But with us, he can score six points and be as good as any player we have on the floor, and nobody in Detroit would be upset with him for doing that. All they'd look at is the result, and that would be the only thing that mattered, and I don't think that was always the case in Portland."

jackiejackal · 11-04-2004, 11:44 AM

What exactly is your point Nathan???

You had 12 exclamation points about a lackluster ugly win
last night for Portland..

You keep bringing up Rasheed as if Portland could do better
if he was still here..
Where were you the last 8 years?????

He looked like a rude crude moron accepting his ring.

Accepting a ring for the sport you love and get paid for...
what on earth more would it take to put a snile on your
face???

I think he is racist,lazy,and a poor representation of a team's
personality.
Every time...repeat...every time a game started on tv,whether it
be national,local,NBA TV...it was always about Rasheed's poor
personality and his big scraggly opened mouth.
What on earth can make you overlook that and be gushing
about his winning in Detroit????

Does that not matter to you at all????????????

**Talkhard** · 11-04-2004, 11:46 AM

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Several other posters have put the vibe they've gathered from your stuff in much blunter terms

A "vibe" eh? Is that anything like karma, or spiritual energy? Is this what they talk about in the coffee shops in San Francisco, STOMP?

Maybe instead of reacting to vibes, which are notoriously unreliable and subjective, you should stick to the facts, and what is written on the page. Clearly if you had any evidence of racism on my part, you would throw it in my face. But since you don't, you must resort to talking about my "vibe."

Very weak.

**STOMP** · 11-04-2004, 11:54 AM

TH if you'd rather split hairs over words then catch a clue as to what sort of overall impression you've been making, what can I say...

STOMP

KingSpeed · 11-04-2004, 11:56 AM

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Originally posted by jackiejackal!

He looked like a rude crude moron accepting his ring.

"Looked like" is the key part of your phrase there. Sounds like you judge books by their covers. And it sounds a bit racist too.

Did you notice all those belts that his teammates were wearing and that was making their celebration extra special and led to some fun team bonding??? Sheed bought those belts for them. How is that rude? And did you hear what Larry Brown said? "Sheed was everything." But you don't know the guy and you've never played with him, but you say he "looked like" a moron.

That's really really weak, Jackie.

**Scout226** · 11-04-2004, 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by NathanLane!
EVERY PLAYER ON HIS TEAM said that the moment they believed they would win the title was when they "got Sheed."

I'm sure they did. Sheed was just the last piece of the puzzle they needed. It's not like the Pistons sucked and had no D before Sheed arrived.

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Role players don't lead a team in FOUR CRUCIAL CATEGORIES in a pivotal NBA Finals game.

Why not?

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You haters just don't get it.

Ah, thanks for calling all of us "haters" when we don't fall in love with Sheed and announce his greatness/leadership skills.

**Talkhard** · 11-04-2004, 12:53 PM

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"Looked like" is the key part of your phrase there. Sounds like you judge books by their covers. And it sounds a bit racist too.

Huh? How is Jackie's statement racist?

You should team up with STOMP, Nathan. You both seem very good at detecting racist "vibes" that no one else can see.

**STOMP** · 11-04-2004, 12:59 PM

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Originally posted by Hap!
than explain why during the 90's, when the team was 1st and out for 6 straight seasons, the attendance #"s at the RG was much higher?

Those teams won more games and always had some title hopes.

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why is it that, despite going to the WCF's 2 years in a row, people were *****ing about the players back then?

because there are always some fans who lash out after the disappointment of losing. I hear it multiple times a year every year here in SF. I recall some fans complaining up a storm about Portland players after being eliminated in 77-78. IMO its just the nature of things.

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why were some companies who owned suites threatening to not renew BEFORE last season?

I'd guess that it's many reasons (mediocre team, bad economy/high prices, fans tired of the players...), but if the team had better talent/chemistry and was percieved as having a good shot at a championship, I contend they'd have had no problems selling suites and seats.

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comparing the NFL to the NBA isn't really a point you want to argue. It's a vastly different sport. Why is it that in MLB, nearly every team *doesn't* have multiple criminal and roid abusers? MLB makes the NBA's conduct issues look outright attrocious.

Wah? So your implication is that MLB and the NBA are more alike? MLB does in all likelyhood have multiple roid abusers on every team throughout the league. Even though players knew the date that steroid tests were coming, 6% of the league tested positive. It only makes sense that a lot more were using but stopped in time for the tests... right? Geez, former NL MVP Ken Caminiti just died at age 41 of a coke habit he had for years. Former AL MVP Kirby Puckett beat his wife and tried to rape a stranger in a restaurant and on and on and on...

Geez #2 the USA couldn't even qualify a team for the Olympics. Why? Reportedly none of the better college talents even tried out because they knew that they wouldn't pass the drug tests.

Baseball history is full of drunks and punks, but hey, it's America's past time... bring the kids and your glove. Like football, ratings and attendance have never been better.

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if you've noticed my stance in the past, it's a combo of both. I liked Rasheed (still do). But HE drove away some fans. (as did JR, and Bonzi). He was also made into a scapegoat by the media, and some fans.

yup, though I'd again claim that most every player generates some fans that don't like them. Comes with the job.

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I think it's better to have a team that doens't have several knuckleheads, than it is to have one with several. I mean, how come Portland was a team that had *several* of them?

It's my opinion that pro sports is mostly made up of spoiled knuckleheads. I think Portland will always have several of them, and unless they get someone who transends the game from a marketing standpoint (like KG or Labron), the national media will always root against the Blazers because of the poor ratings they bring. Relatively speaking, no one outside of Portland is from Portland... or... they have little following outside their market.

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IIRC, DA wasn't that productive to start out. I think the change in players made a difference. Same with Bonzi being traded. (Bonzi, remember, is a player I liked, and like today. He just wore out his welcome, and didn't seize the day here).

DA while not healthy last year was still 6'5. Size wise, he matched up much better on 2's then Jeff.

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I think too much has been made into the attendance #'s personally. There were times when the MC and RG were packed (or damn close) and the overal fan base wasn't nearly as interested.

I don't know what would be a better guage of fan interest then ticket sales... sure there are some other variables that could effect things (like the economy going in the toilet) but still... I was only bringing up the drop in attendance after he was moved to counter the assertion that he was the reason sales were down. Sure some fans were driven off by his surly personality/image, just as other fans have undoubtably been driven off by Damon, JR, Rod Strictland, PJ, Audie Norris, and that dastardly Tom Owens.

That Sheed and Co had a contentious relationship with JQuick gave those who didn't like him a daily fanning of their flames. That sort of press coverage doesn't lighten up the water cooler talk for the casual fan either.

Well thats my takes, nice chatting with you.

STOMP

**Oldmangrouch** · 11-04-2004, 04:16 PM

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Originally posted by jackiejackal!
What exactly is your point Nathan???

You had 12 exclamation points about a lackluster ugly win
last night for Portland..

You keep bringing up Rasheed as if Portland could do better
if he was still here..
Where were you the last 8 years?????

He looked like a rude crude moron accepting his ring.

Accepting a ring for the sport you love and get paid for...
what on earth more would it take to put a snile on your
face???

I think he is racist,lazy,and a poor representation of a team's
personality.
Every time...repeat...every time a game started on tv,whether it
be national,local,NBA TV...it was always about Rasheed's poor
personality and his big scraggly opened mouth.
What on earth can make you overlook that and be gushing
about his winning in Detroit????

Does that not matter to you at all????????????

Speaking only for myself.....

WHY THE HELL SHOULD IT!!!

"Sheed doesn't like Stern"...."the press doesn't like Sheed"....blah yada blah. He isn't as good as KG or Duncan - must be because he is lazy, not because they are just better players!

His new team-mates and coach have no problem with him, and he helped them win the title. The Detroit fans and media seem to have no problem with him either. Of course, all of that is irrelevant.

The next time Sheed meets Stern, I hope he not only smiles....I hope he gives him a big kiss on the mouth! Then we will see what *else* people can find to complain about!

jackiejackal · 11-04-2004, 11:16 PM

Complaining is bad about Sheed,but putting out absolute
puke about him is ok??
I will always speak up when somebody puts out such dribble.
You don't like it?
too bad.

Choose your own poison grouch..

Rod Strickland · 11-05-2004, 03:05 AM

man....i wish i could have gotten in a little earlier on this slugfest.

sheed is a great player, nobody who's watched him play can deny that. as for a supreme leader, i don't think so. it was nice to see sheed getting a ring. too bad it wasn't with the blazers, and the rest of the blazers wearing boxing belts. i always joke to my laker fan brother that sheed is like saying in his mind, "i got em (lakers) back!" But i found it funny was how they introduce sheed. "tayshawn...the shot heard round the world. sheed....THE ULTIMATE TEAM PLAYER." hahahah. i'm laughing because i know that sheed is not the ultimate team player. i've seen him be the exact opposite sometimes. what i feel they should have said is this..."sheed, the player with the potential to be the ultimate team player." i think he has the talent of KG, TD, and CWEBB. nathanlane...i think what you see in sheed is his talent and ability to be a great player. it's kind of how i feel for ROD STRICKLAND, being one of the best PGs in history. Sheed, like Rod, lack a certain quality that makes them really GREAT. a lot of talent...but perhaps no heart. i really can't say what that "great quality" is. If i did, i would be more than just a mediocre player who can jump high and score every once in a while. And that, is why sheed is not my hero. Bonzi is not my hero, and sadly, Rod strickland isn't. JORDAN is. .......and maybe sabas.

ROD.

Greg Ostertag! · 11-05-2004, 03:44 AM

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Originally posted by NathanLane!
If you still hate Sheed, then you hate greatness.

This part is hilarious. For some reason it reminds me of "lovers of liberty"...

e_blazer1 · 11-05-2004, 07:45 AM

Dear NathanLane:

It's over. Sheed's gone and he's not coming back.

Deal with it.

Your's truly,

e_blazer1

Ed O · 11-05-2004, 08:22 AM

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Originally posted by e_blazer1!
Dear NathanLane:

It's over. Sheed's gone and he's not coming back.

Deal with it.

Some of us enjoy looking back at players that we had. If we limited discussion to just our current roster this board would get old ever more quickly than it sometimes does.

If YOU (or someone else) doesn't want to talk about Rasheed, that's cool. Don't act like NathanLane or anyone else shouldn't be able to talk about Rasheed... especially when so many on this board were calling him a cancer and a loser who would never win anything.

Ed O.

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