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**Dan** · 11-05-2004, 03:37 PM

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Originally posted by Oldmangrouch!

In most painful break-ups, there is fault on both sides. I cheerfully admit that is the case here.

My problem is with people who give Sheed ZERO credit for anything. (except being the anti-christ) Sheed is not a "great" player, nor a savior who can carry a team single-handed. He is a good to very good player who flourished as part of a well coached *team*.

If people stop attacking the guy - I will gladly stop defending him!

who's given Sheed zero credit?

this isn't a case where people are giving him 0 credit for the good he did, it's a case where people are saying that his on court production didn't cover his off court attitude.

No one is saying ( or atleast i haven't found) that he shouldn't be credited with being a good PF who helped lead us to two WCF's.

**STOMP** · 11-05-2004, 03:40 PM

Hap- I've made my points, and I'm a bit tired of restating and clarifying, but I'll briefly respond.

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and that of the team. and that of the media. and that of the fans.
oh wait, those guys are all against sheed..

IMO the team wasn't against Sheed at least in their comments and actions pre and post trade. The negative attention of JQ grinding his axe daily was probably tiresome though. As I've noted many times some fans didn't like him.

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you HONESTLY thought the team with Kenny Anderson was in the title hunt? Or Gary Trent? Or Harvey Grant and Cliff Robinson?

should I quote myself? -"I certainly thought all of those clubs had a much better chance of making the playoffs then our current one."

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a web site called "cracksmoker" is the source?

They do a pretty good job of compiling (not writing) bad guy stories IMO.

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so basically, clyde was dumb, and someone didn't like TP, and Buck broke a TV.
yep, thats on the same scale of Sheed and Bonzi...

how does this change the fact that far mor fans didn't like Rasheed than you're willing to admit?

Because the media had a bad article about the team, thats supposed to put them on par with the antics of Sheed?

no silly. Those same sort of complaint were being echoed around the Portland fanbase even after making it to the championship. Fans whine and lash out after being eliminated. It happens everywhere not just Portland... I recommend seeing Friday Night Lights.

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thats on fault of Portland. But it's a bad example. I doubt you'll find, outside of front runners, many fans of other teams in any city, that outrank their own teams fans.

I didn't say outrank. My point is that Portland has a very limited fanbase both in size and in the regions of the country that follows them. You should have seen all the Red Sox fans that flooded SF this last season. I sold a set of $30 seats for $150 each.

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twas a good read

thanks, just the ramblings of an overly obsessed fan... I'm probably offbase as well as biased with some of my views, but thats the way of things from my obstructed vantage.

STOMP

**Dan** · 11-05-2004, 03:50 PM

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Originally posted by STOMP!
should I quote myself? -"I certainly thought all of those clubs had a much better chance of making the playoffs then our current one."

you also said:

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Really? We completely disagree on this I guess. Some of those teams featured some real talent on both ends of the floor. I don't know about you, but the teams featuring a healthy Sabas had title hopes dancing in my head yearly.

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I didn't say outrank. My point is that Portland has a very limited fanbase both in size and in the regions of the country that follows them. You should have seen all the Red Sox fans that flooded SF this last season. I sold a set of $30 seats for $150 each.

it's a little strange to be comparing a baseball team, which has historically been in a more popular sport and older, than to a basketball team.

you find teams that have been around the leauge for the last 35 years, and I bet that they all basically have the same # of fans around the country.

of course there's more sox fans in Portland than Blazer fans in Boston.

the blazers fans aren't in a "nation" like sox fans are.

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thanks, just the ramblings of an overly obsessed fan... I'm probably offbase with some of my views, but thats the way of things from my biased and obstructed vantage.

STOMP

no more off base than I am.

**Oldmangrouch** · 11-05-2004, 04:56 PM

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Originally posted by Hap!

who's given Sheed zero credit?

this isn't a case where people are giving him 0 credit for the good he did, it's a case where people are saying that his on court production didn't cover his off court attitude.

No one is saying ( or atleast i haven't found) that he shouldn't be credited with being a good PF who helped lead us to two WCF's.

Hap,

I try to not "call people out" and make these arguments too personal. Besides, I think you know what/who I am refering to.

There are posters who gloat over him leaving, belittle his contributions (here and in Detroit), and equate his every missed jumper with proof of attitude/character flaws.

**Dan** · 11-05-2004, 05:15 PM

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Originally posted by Oldmangrouch!

Hap,

I try to not "call people out" and make these arguments too personal. Besides, I think you know what/who I am refering to.

There are posters who gloat over him leaving, belittle his contributions (here and in Detroit), and equate his every missed jumper with proof of attitude/character flaws.

I see.

I too yearn for the days when we don't continually get reminded he's been traded, or how great he was..or how evil he was, or how he did this, did that, ate babies and walked on water.

**Oldmangrouch** · 11-05-2004, 05:31 PM

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Originally posted by Hap!

I see.

I too yearn for the days when we don't continually get reminded he's been traded, or how great he was..or how evil he was, or how he did this, did that, ate babies and walked on water.

As I said in a thread months ago:

Sheed is gone...get over it!

Sheed is not the antichrist.....get over that too!

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