[Amareca]

Originally posted by <b>SodaPopinski</b>!
Zach Randolph always dominates Stoudemire. Amare didn't do crap in this game until he was playing against our scrubs.

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Randolph was matched against Marion.

Randolph must have liked getting his shot rejected because he got it thrown back into his face at least 4 times in a BLOWOUT.

[HKF]

Yes Telfair is a ballhog. Unbelievable.

When is Shareef being traded again? Then you'll have to root for the Raptors in basketball purgatory.

[Xericx]

Miles - Not sure why people are upset that he was playing some point, I thought it was a great idea. The 4th quarter was the time to test out what players might be able to do for us later this season and in future season. It would be nice to have another 6'8" PG, it certainly worked out last time we had one.

I was upset because Telfair wasn't running the point when Miles was. Sure, Miles > Damon, but Telfair > miles. Miles wasn't really running the point as so much as he was brininging the ball up court, then driving to the rack.

[QRICH]

Originally posted by <b>Amareca</b>!


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Randolph was matched against Marion.

Randolph must have liked getting his shot rejected because he got it thrown back into his face at least 4 times in a BLOWOUT.

Tonight Amare scored 8 of his pts in garbage P/T against Miles and Outlaw. Randolph scored 24 pts 11 rebs in only 3 quarters of play.

Im not impressed at all by Amare's game. He's a very good player in transition and when he slashes, but when it comes to single-coverage in the post one-on-one, he has nothign to rely on. His low-post game is weak imho.

[Xericx]

I'm impressed with Stoudamire's strength though. He's so strong. Dunking machine...he had some AWESOME catches tonight.

[Tince]

Originally posted by <b>Xericx</b>!


I was upset because Telfair wasn't running the point when Miles was. Sure, Miles > Damon, but Telfair > miles. Miles wasn't really running the point as so much as he was brininging the ball up court, then driving to the rack.

Never-the-less, at least Cheeks got a chance to see what Miles could do at the point. Telfair will get plenty of minutes at the point, but say we were to trade Damon, and NVE were to get hurt, it would be nice to know if we could play Miles at the point or if we would have to sign someone.

I understand why you might be dissapointed, but I just don't see any reason to really put much emotion into it. I'm just glad the game is over!

[Perfection]

Originally posted by <b>Tince</b>!
Telfair - I'd be lying if I said I was surprised that people would bash on him after a game like tonights. There are people here who hated the draft choice and won't be happy with Telfair unless he's an all-star. He played very well tonight despite being a little off from the field. People who are upset that he didn't shoot well should ask themselves this; would you rather have a PG that when he's shooting poorly keeps shooting, or a PG that takes it hard to the rack so he can get some FT's? To me that's the difference between what Damon and Telfair does, and I like the second option.

In my opinion, the best PG is mainly a distributer and a slasher. If you can burn your opponent then get into the lane and get some free throws...cheap points...WHILE getting the opposing big men into foul trouble. It just makes so much sense. Because, when you cut you have people having to make defensive adjustments. this can leave someone for a wide open shot during defensive rotations or allow for an easy dish for a layup/dunk on the inside.

Personally, I think running the offenensive out of a capable big man like Sabonis is a great way to go. However, Sabonis is that extrmeely rare type of big man that can run an offense out of the middle of the court.

For most teams, the PG is the offensive director and as such needs to be the type of player that can make things happen. Being able and willing to take it inside is that ability.

Think back to the days of Drexler and Porter and Co. Remember Rod Strickland. Sure, he couldn't shoot a lick, but he was willing to take it to the hole. I remember watching him do that countless times growing up.

Besides getting free throws you can get a player into foul trouble.

I don't think I'm the only one that feels this way. But my "perfect team" built on stereotypes...where each player can only have a couple specialties, is:

PG - passer/slasher
SG - shooter
SF - Open court player. Can do a little of everything (aka Pippen/Kirilinko)
PF - Scoring Option
C - Defensive presence.

But anyways, of course it would be nice to have a backcourt that can shoot. I think Telfair will be just fine, though, regardless, as I think his style of play is very well suited to the PG position.

I mean, if the PG is the slasher/distributer, then they aren't taking "too many" shots unless they are really good ones.

Alright...enough ranting.

I'm ready to see Damon gone. I'm not big on trading for Carter, but I think that if we can get rid of a contract like DA then it would be worth it. I'd prefer not to get Kidd though. I want to build for the future. And that means getting players like Telfair and Miles more PT and hopefully in the starting lineup.

Dammit. Why couldn't we have just been able to get a Michael Redd. He's the perfect fit with our young core....

[Amareca]

Originally posted by <b>QRICH</b>!


Tonight Amare scored 8 of his pts in garbage P/T against Miles and Outlaw. Randolph scored 24 pts 11 rebs in only 3 quarters of play.

Im not impressed at all by Amare's game. He's a very good player in transition and when he slashes, but when it comes to single-coverage in the post one-on-one, he has nothign to rely on. His low-post game is weak imho.

Oh please...

When was Amare ever really in single coverage this game?

Besides I know for a fact that Amare had 14/7/3/2 through 3 quarters and didn't play half of the first quarter which is where Randolph got 90% of his rebounds and half of his points.

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Amazingly enough when a team mate of your goes off for 37 points, and your coach is smart enought to keep going to the hot hand (cough cough not Cheeks), and to top it all off you are kicking the crap out of your opposition, you do not have the need to put up big numbers that night.

[tlong]

Telfair didn't do SQUAT last night! What is wrong with you people?! I will admit that the kid has potential, but right now he's a liability when he plays! Did you see the 3 he attempted? It had to be one of the UGLIEST shots I've ever seen from a perimeter player! He has NO outside shot! If he doesn't find a jumper he will never amount to anything in this league. Point guards cannot effectively distribute the ball unless the opponent respects their outside shooting.

[BBALLSCIENCES]

Originally posted by <b>tlong</b>!
Telfair didn't do SQUAT last night! What is wrong with you people?! I will admit that the kid has potential, but right now he's a liability when he plays! Did you see the 3 he attempted? It had to be one of the UGLIEST shots I've ever seen from a perimeter player! He has NO outside shot! If he doesn't find a jumper he will never amount to anything in this league. Point guards cannot effectively distribute the ball unless the opponent respects their outside shooting.

Wow. You are a supreme hater. Has Telfair ever done anything good in your opinion? He didn't do squat, just got a pretty good defender to foul him 4 times and he made his freethrows. I think it's pretty good to get points while the clock is stopped. I think that's more than "SQUAT". Also had a few nice assists and got the forwards a few good open jumpers.

[tlong]

Originally posted by <b>BBALLSCIENCES</b>!


Wow. You are a supreme hater. Has Telfair ever done anything good in your opinion? He didn't do squat, just got a pretty good defender to foul him 4 times and he made his freethrows. I think it's pretty good to get points while the clock is stopped. I think that's more than "SQUAT". Also had a few nice assists and got the forwards a few good open jumpers.

Those fouls and free throws meant nothing. It was garbage time. There is very little correlation between drawing fouls in garbage time and drawing fouls in meaningful minutes. I am not a "hater" either. You are a supreme lover.

[mook]

tlong- how can you write off the good things Telfair does just because it's "garbage time"? is telfair supposed to telekinetically make the ball go through the hoop from the sideline when the "meaningful" minutes are wasted on Damon?

are you arguing it's easier for everyone to draw fouls during garbage time? because I don't think that's so. I think the refs often let fouls slide more because they realize it doesn't matter anyway.

[NastyOne]

I'm kind of siding with Playmaker and Tlong on this one.

Except I honestly believe that Telfair will be very good one day, and that one day is soon. But, I have yet to see anything remotely spectacular or jaw-dropping at this point.

Has he looked decent? Yes.
Has he done anything awe inspiring? No.

Drawing fouls last night was nice, but is it really indicative of his ability night in or night out? Probably not. I sincerely doubt he'll be getting 100 FT attempts a night.

The issue I have is that I have yet to see him make a play that makes someone else better. I have yet to see him make a pass that (gasp) Damon doesn't make. I have yet to see him drive and kick to the cutter or open man.

What i have seen is a young kid playing a tough game that is about 1 or 2 paces ahead of him. Not that this is a bad thing. He is fresh out of HS and not on Lebron's level of ability. It will take time.

I think Playmaker and Tlong aren't saying that Telfair stinks or is going to be a bum. I think they are saying that everyone is wetting their pants, but he hasn't done anything to inspire urinating on one's self yet.