[jackiejackal]

I don't know which statement gets the Golden Turkey Award.

Amare doesn't impress me
or
Telfair hasn't done any jaw dropping plays yet.

[BBALLSCIENCES]

Originally posted by <b>NastyOne</b>!
I'm kind of siding with Playmaker and Tlong on this one.

Except I honestly believe that Telfair will be very good one day, and that one day is soon. But, I have yet to see anything remotely spectacular or jaw-dropping at this point.

Has he looked decent? Yes.
Has he done anything awe inspiring? No.

Drawing fouls last night was nice, but is it really indicative of his ability night in or night out? Probably not. I sincerely doubt he'll be getting 100 FT attempts a night.

The issue I have is that I have yet to see him make a play that makes someone else better. I have yet to see him make a pass that (gasp) Damon doesn't make. I have yet to see him drive and kick to the cutter or open man.

What i have seen is a young kid playing a tough game that is about 1 or 2 paces ahead of him. Not that this is a bad thing. He is fresh out of HS and not on Lebron's level of ability. It will take time.

I think Playmaker and Tlong aren't saying that Telfair stinks or is going to be a bum. I think they are saying that everyone is wetting their pants, but he hasn't done anything to inspire urinating on one's self yet.

If you haven't seem him drive and kick to the cutter or the open man then you've simply not been watching. Secondly, how is the pace of the game too much for him if he's forcing defenders to foul him? Steve Nash struggled with his quickness as did Barbosa.

[The True Essence]

oh no he cant shoot! that didnt give tj ford any problems when he wasnt injured. Jason Kidd anyone? and to compare highschool guys, lebron had no problem early on even though his jumper was WAY off. he relied on his slashing and passing. Telfair isnt a pure shooter, but hes a great slasher and passer, and those are the two most important things for a point guard. the jumper will come. he shot 40 percent from 20ft in highschool anyway,thats not nba range,but its the top of the key at least.

if he works at it, it will come. im a knick fan, and Trevor Ariza in preseason shot only about 3 jumpers in all of preseason cause his shot was so horrible. But he worked on it, and now that hes playing, hes hitting the 15 footer.

i still think the rest of telfairs game is great, and horribly underrated by alot of you guys.

[alext42083]

Originally posted by <b>tlong</b>!
Telfair didn't do SQUAT last night! What is wrong with you people?! I will admit that the kid has potential, but right now he's a liability when he plays! Did you see the 3 he attempted? It had to be one of the UGLIEST shots I've ever seen from a perimeter player! He has NO outside shot! If he doesn't find a jumper he will never amount to anything in this league. Point guards cannot effectively distribute the ball unless the opponent respects their outside shooting.

Bashing Telfair in his first extended minutes in his first season as a 19-year-old? Wow...
Every high schooler coming out in his rookie season looks lost when he gets his first extended minutes. And I think Telfair did pretty well out there in garbage time.

His stat line: 9 pts, 9-10 FT, 3 rebs, 2 asts, 1 steal and NO turnovers.

Imagine being 19, playing on the biggest stage of professional basketball. Hell, you'd probably be trippin' over yourself running up and down the floor at 19.
If anyone remembers, Bonzi and Zach looked hella lost in their first seasons, they had no clue what they were doing out there.
Jermaine looked lost too.
Kobe fired up airballs.
Also, people were writing off LeBron after his first preseason game when they said he couldn't shoot worth a lick in a game in LA.
I'm not going to say that Telfair's going to end like those players, but I hope you get the point.

[tlong]

Originally posted by <b>alext42083</b>!


Bashing Telfair in his first extended minutes in his first season as a 19-year-old? Wow...
Every high schooler coming out in his rookie season looks lost when he gets his first extended minutes. And I think Telfair did pretty well out there in garbage time.

His stat line: 9 pts, 9-10 FT, 3 rebs, 2 asts, 1 steal and NO turnovers.

Imagine being 19, playing on the biggest stage of professional basketball. Hell, you'd probably be trippin' over yourself running up and down the floor at 19.
If anyone remembers, Bonzi and Zach looked hella lost in their first seasons, they had no clue what they were doing out there.
Jermaine looked lost too.
Kobe fired up airballs.
Also, people were writing off LeBron after his first preseason game when they said he couldn't shoot worth a lick in a game in LA.
I'm not going to say that Telfair's going to end like those players, but I hope you get the point.

It seems that you conveniently left out that he was 0 for 5 from the field. That won't get it done. Dude can't shoot. Bonzi, Jermaine, Zach, and LeBron all have good size as well. Something Telfair doesn't have.

[Playmaker0017]

Originally posted by <b>jackiejackal</b>!
Telfair hasn't done any jaw dropping plays yet.

Okay, smartass - I've watched this team since the start of the season.

Name one jaw dropping play that Telfair has done. JUST ONE.

Name one move he's made that I wouldn't be able to say that most to all PGs wouldn't be able to perform.

There aren't ANY.

None.

Zilch.

I'm not saying he won't be good, but don't praise the kid for looking average. I mean, I know his two handed chest pass is virtually unstoppable and amazing, but wow.

Play.

[Xericx]

Telfair pass to Outlaw where Outlaw missed the dunk. The ball threaded right past several phoenix players.

Very nice vision.

We're just scratching the surface...as he gets more PT, we're going to get better plays than Damon passing to DA who either takes an ill advised jumper or passes back to Damon who does something stupid.

[Playmaker0017]

Originally posted by <b>BBALLSCIENCES</b>!
If you haven't seem him drive and kick to the cutter or the open man then you've simply not been watching.

No, I've watched. He hasn't:

A) Been afforded the opportunity to do it.
B) He hasn't done it when he has had the chances.

He's done NOTHING spectacular. I know you people really want him to be Jesus Christ, but he isn't. Not yet at least. To further that, he hasn't done anything that would indicate he ever will.

Secondly, how is the pace of the game too much for him if he's forcing defenders to foul him? Steve Nash struggled with his quickness as did Barbosa.

Oh boy... tired Nash who is already up by 25 and quit playing couldn't stop him. Woah, buddy.

Stop the presses.

Barbosa?! Yeah, wow. Impressive. Let me go to the restroom and clean myself up after that one. Whew.

Look, the kid is okay, but he got some fouls in a game that didn't matter. Who cares? Do you REALLY think he's going to get those calls every night and that he is REALLY that much faster and quicker than every other player in the league?

He's very average. He's fast. He's quick. But he's done nothing with it, save get a few fouls calls in one game. Oh god, stop the damn presses again.

Play.

[Xericx]

You've got to give telfair a CHANCE though.

Damon's been playing HORRIBLY and NVE is injured still or incapacitated in some form.

What other option is there?

[Playmaker0017]

Originally posted by <b>alext42083</b>!
Bashing Telfair in his first extended minutes in his first season as a 19-year-old? Wow...

He wasn't "BASHING" him. He was stating that he hasn't done anything to deserve this praise you guys are heaping on him.

I mean, the kid could walk out to mid-court, drop the biggest turd in the universe, walk away ... and people here would find a way to praise it.

Just like Miles last year. How many times did people say he's an all-star in the making. Yeah, right.

Play.

[alext42083]

Originally posted by <b>tlong</b>!
It seems that you conveniently left out that he was 0 for 5 from the field. That won't get it done. Dude can't shoot. Bonzi, Jermaine, Zach, and LeBron all have good size as well. Something Telfair doesn't have.

Five shots is not exactly indicative of whether a man can shoot or not for the rest of his career, especially in his rookie season at 19.
Sure, he probably won't be Steve Kerr or Reggie Miller from the outside, but if he wants to work hard at it, I see no reason why he can't be a respectable shooter someday.

[Xericx]

Its not praise so much as us wanting him to get some PT. He looks like Magic Johnson when comparing him to Damon. He really does.

[Playmaker0017]

Originally posted by <b>Xericx</b>!
Telfair pass to Outlaw where Outlaw missed the dunk. The ball threaded right past several phoenix players.

Very nice vision.

I agree.

Except that pass was for Shareef and Shareef missed it.

Even if it were to Outlaw .. it was a decent pass, but nothing extraordinary. In fact, if it was directed towards Outlaw, then the kid is REALLY going to be awful because that pass isn't a smart pass.

We're just scratching the surface.

Everyone makes a play or two. Maybe you are scratching the surface ... but maybe not.

He's not done anything for all you people to be on your knees smiling like donuts.

Play.

[Playmaker0017]

Originally posted by <b>alext42083</b>!
Five shots is not exactly indicative of whether a man can shoot or not for the rest of his career, especially in his rookie season at 19.
Sure, he probably won't be Steve Kerr or Reggie Miller from the outside, but if he wants to work hard at it, I see no reason why he can't be a respectable shooter someday.

No doubt. So, why heap all this praise on him undeservingly at thsi point?

Why not wait until he actually does something meaningful.

I'm not saying he doesn't have skill. I'm saying that he's not shown anything really special yet.

Play.