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Old 12-08-2004, 09:37 AM   #1 (permalink)
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An Eastern Conference GM wants to let you know what PDX and others must give for VC

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Old 12-08-2004, 09:43 AM   #2 (permalink)
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If Toronto wants talent or cap space, we can give them both!
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Old 12-08-2004, 09:45 AM   #3 (permalink)
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If Toronto wants talent or cap space, we can give them both!
Exactly.. If they take the SAR for VC straight up, they get talent and cap space.

If you go by this comment from one GM:
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"If you're Toronto, you've got to get back talent or cap space," the Eastern GM said.
So, a Damon for VC or even a NVE for VC trade is good enough. They get cap space. I'd personally think they should get a little more, but if that's what an eastern GM said, then that's what we'll give them..
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Old 12-08-2004, 09:54 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Cap relief from other deals like Rose, not Vince's deal. But you already knew that.
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The problem with moving VC for cap space, is that we are like 17 million over the cap this season, and VC makes 11 million. So even if we trade him for SAR's 14.6 Million, we're still over the cap by a bit after the season. In a better spot financially but still no cap space; therefore no ability to use anything more than the MLE.
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Old 12-08-2004, 10:06 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I do nto mind the Rahim + 1st rd pick for Carter...... then dealing off some other of our pieces


Yes, the idea of getting a FA by signing him has been abandoned around here. We will nto be under hte cap. Only way it will happen is in a S&T
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IF TOR mgmt wants cap space (relief) where else are they going to go?

Philly? They can dangle Glenn Robinson. But they don't want to take on Rose either and Atlanta TRADED for Antoine Walker's CONTRACT not him as a player, so ATL isn't an option either.

If you measure by cap space then SAR expiring contract ($14.6 mil) is larger than Robinson's ($12 mil), not to mention SAR has way more worth as a PLAYER, meaning he could be dealt AGAIN for strictly youth (ie picks and\or a young player) if TOR desired.

Is CLE interested in dealing Ilgaukas expiring deal? I seriously doubt it.

Dallas has Alan Henderson at $8mil and little else. Maybe TOR could wrangle a Henderson and a Marquis Daniels? Although I HIGHLY doubt DAL would do that (adding Carter to Stackhouse AND Finley?...yikes)

Golden State has Dale Davis @ $11mi, and agian I doubt they would deal Dunleavy or Richardson as well in the deal. Maybe TOR could get Pietrus, but I have read GS is very high on him.

The Clips Kerry Kittles @ $10.3 mil. Would the Clips deal Jaric, or Simmons in addition to Kittles? Maybe

MIN has Sprewell @ $14.6 mil, Would TOR trade Carter straight up for Spreewell? I doubt it. But would MIN give up Ebi or a draft pick? I doubt they would give up Ebi, just like POR won't give up Outlaw or Monia. The draft pick? maybe, but if POR offered a pick, it would be a better one, and I doubt MIN is interested in messing with their team.

SEA has Ray Allen @ $14.6mil, but I can't see them even entertaining an Allen for Carter swap, particularly with how well they are playing of late, and Allen's talk of possibly resigning.

That is basically it. Those are the other big contracts out there besides POR (SAR $14.6, Damon $13,5, NVE $12.79 team option)

I think TOR is in a tough spot, first I can't see any of the teams listed above taking on Rose's contract. Some teams like CLE & SEA are playing well and don't want to make a trade. Others like GS, ATL and the Clips value the cap space more than getting Carter. That leaves possibly Dallas, and doubtfully MIN. I don't see a lot of options for TOR.

Since POR doesn't want Rose, what about a Carter & Lamond Murray?

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SAR, Qyntel Woods ($1.12mil) and Stepania ($827,000) (all expiring contracts BTW)?

TOR can unload Murray ($5.25mil) with Carter ($13.83mil) and if So-Cal's (err Storyteller) cap figures are correct

Player Salaries

That would leave TOR with approximately $36,880 comitted in salary next year, assuming they pass on the team options for Woods & Sow. The question is what will the salary cap be next year? Currently it is $43,870, will it be higher? lower?

Assuming it stays the same (not likely), that leaves TOR next year with only $7mil under the cap, not enough for a significant FA.

However, the year after Rose will be expiring (Over $16mil) and there is a team option on Peterson ($5.45mil). That COULD be a $21 mil windfall, putting then WAY under the cap.

Is it true that Alvin Williams' contract was non iinsured? If it is, TOR is screwed on him, I doubt any team would touch him. IF he is, then he could possibly be involved in a POR\TOR, but his contract (and Rose) is what is really hurting TOR. If he was included in a trade to POR it would be another $6.5mil off TOR books. Giving them around $14mil in cap space NEXT YEAR.I think POR would be amiable to taking on Williams, provided that 1) his contract IS guaranteed and he is DONE (no comebacks), meaning cap relief in 1? 2? years for POR, OR some sort of buyout can be pre-arranged. But that is real iffy IMO.

The bottom line is Raptor fans\mgmt can demand all they want, but the reality is TOR is in a tough spot. Particularly with Rose and Williams' contracts. NO OTHER TEAM, outside of perhaps NY (who wants to send their garbage contracts back) wants anything to do with Rose's contract, or Williams' for that matter.
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The latest is that Portland is ticked at Toronto for pulling out of a Carter for Rahim straight up deal. Toronto wants a "rebounder" to be in the trade. Hey, Stepania is a very good rebounder!

I still wouldn't mind getting Jalen Rose! He's a very decent guard, and after this season, he'll only have 2 more years left. I"d much rather have 2 more years of Rose at 15, than 2 more years of Anderson at 10.
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The latest is that Portland is ticked at Toronto for pulling out of a Carter for Rahim straight up deal. Toronto wants a "rebounder" to be in the trade. Hey, Stepania is a very good rebounder!

I still wouldn't mind getting Jalen Rose! He's a very decent guard, and after this season, he'll only have 2 more years left. I"d much rather have 2 more years of Rose at 15, than 2 more years of Anderson at 10.
they want a rebounder? who the hell do we have thats a 'rebounder'?

they expect Zach??
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