Playmaker0017

Actually, if you were actually paying attention, rather than just spouting off to try to be a jerk you would have read that the poster equated Miles' shooting percentage to proof that he is hitting jumpers.

By this stretch of logic, we can now assume that Shaq is king of the jumpers.

So, as you like to put it, last time I checked a jump shot is a different shot than a layup or dunk. Since, last time I checked, that is what we were talking about point out Miles doesn't hit jumpers holds merit.

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Schilly

Umm no, I wasn't trying to be a jerk. Just stating a simple fact. Scoring is scoring. Personally I find that a team that relys on the jump shot is unpredictable. Seattle is doing pretty well this year, but that is a bit of an anomally in htat regard.

I copuldn't care less how the guy gets the ball through the rim it ammounts to the same thing in the end.

Schilly

I just stated an opinion, feel free to take issue with my differeing opinion. It is clear to me, and you do not deny that your sole purpose for watching basketball in any regard is becasue of Shareef, that's fine, but your opinions about the rest of what goes on are skewed by your personal opinion of Shareef.

When he was wanting to be traded Zach was the worst hting in basketball, now that Miles is stepping in to fill in for Reef while he's hurt, Miles is the worst player on the team.

It's not like you disguise your bias.

Playmaker0017

You may not be trying, but so far today, you are succeeding with flying colors.

Yet, it had nothing to do with what I was discussing. So, really you weren't adding anything to the conversation except saying something completely irrelevant. Good job.

I agree. I also find a team that can't hit a jump shot to be equally or more pathetic over a long period of time.

If that is what we were discussing, then I would say I agree. Except, we weren't. We were talking about someone hitting a jumpshot and there slow growth at being better at it. They used FG% as the key variable for the proof.

Sorry, no dice.

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Kmurph

Look, the only way that Telfair, Outlaw, and yes Miles and even Zach are going to get better is if they play.

Yes these guys have deficiencies in their game, but "newsflash" so does practically EVERY NBA player. The MOST important thing to read about the players listed above, is that outside of Miles (whose actual work ethic I simply do not know enough about), Zach, Telfair and Outlaw are HARD WORKERS, who are actively trying to improve their games, and IMO that is 90% of the battle. IF they continue that alone, each one of them will continue to improve & will become GOOD NBA players. The talent is there, buit what seperates players at this level is IQ and work ethic.

Telfair IMO has both which is great, Outlaw and Zach have much more of the latter, and that is also good.

But nothing beats actual game experience, and if you play them, then you are ACKNOWLEDGING that they will be making the mistakes that ANY rookie entering the NBA (be it HS or college) makes. This "learning process" generally takes a longer time with HS players.

You want to complain that the NBA isn't for learning? Then you'd better open your eyes, b\c that is what it has become for good or bad. NBA rosters are FULL of players who aren't ready to play "prime time" minutes.

The bottom line is, Are many of those players just happy to be in the NBA? Or are they actively working to become a better player? Zach, Telfair and Outlaw are, I don't know how ANY Blazer fan shouldn't be encouraged by that.

I don't think POR will play Telfair or Outlaw long minutes. At least until they give up on the playoffs for this year. I would prefer that they see the writing on the wall and act (ie playing the young kids now), but they won't. They will continue to hold onto this belief of making the playoffs until the bitter end.

However, the trade deadline will really show where mgmt's head is at. Are they trading for picks\porspects? Or are they trying to acquire veteran players? It SHOULD be the former, my guess is Nash will choose the latter.

AT BEST, you could expect Telfair & Outlaw to see more significant minutes after the trade deadline, and (hopefully) we WILL see that when POR is eventually eliminated from the playoff picture.

Maybe we could see Khryapa before the year is out as well, that would be nice.

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Blazer Freak

At this point, I'd rather have Miles in the SL than SAR. Miles, over the last 5 games is averaging 16 ppg, 7 rpg, 2 apg and 2 bpg 2 spg, I'd rather have that kinda D than have SAR in there to. SAR clogs the lane because we have ZBo and Ratliff in there.

I have 1 Q for Cheeks though, why doesn't he think of starting SAR, ZBo and Miles?

Zbo/Sar/Miles/DA/Damon

Have Ratliff come off the bench. Ratliff hurt his calf a while ago, and it is still bugging him, you can see it. So let him get a few less mpg and let those 3 start together. The lane wouldn't be clogged anymore because only SAR and Zach would be down there, not SAR, Ratliff and ZBo.

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Playmaker0017

Actually, Miles' defense is overrated. He's good on the help, but he's pretty poor man on.

Not just that, but I wouldn't look at a 5 game average as indicative of anything.

I don't know, but in truth, I feel the best lineup would be:

Damon
DA
Miles
Reef
Theo

Randolph needs to sit. He's hurting the team more than helping.

Just so we are all clear - the lane isn't any less clogged when Miles is in ... as he actually tries to post up more than Reef did.

Reef spent the majority of offensive possessions on the 3 point line, much to my chagrin.

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Blazer Freak

[quote]Originally posted by <b>Playmaker0017</b>!


So what's SAR's D, man on? Wait, let me guess..Underrated?

Why not? Those are his averages for the games he has started. Would you like me to take a 5 game span of SAR starting and we can compare them? They are indicative of something. Miles is easily capable of replacing SAR in the starting lineup. His D is much better than SAR's and is putting up roughly the same ppg. Don't give me this **** where stats that I give out don't matter. Your pretty much saying that because it doesn't make your "Favorite player", SAR look good.



Of course you think that's the best lineup. You love SAR.



Not really. Miles only gets his points and such off of dunks and layups remember Play? D.A. even said that the lane is less clogged when Miles is in then SAR. Want me to go find a quote of that? I don't think I need to, I believe you, a SAR homer over a player that plays on the team, and starts with him.

Oh..your poor chagrin..

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Playmaker0017

Actually, yes.

Since lower in your post, you feel the need to talk about quotes, then go read quotes about Reef's defense. People constantly are suprised about how smart Reef is on defense.

Mo was, Van Exel was, Reef's last coach was, Theo was ... the list goes on.

Reef was a very weak defender early in his career. He was 19 and didn't have an NBA frame, so he got beat up a lot.

He's FAR superior to where he was then.

No, they aren't.

Take Miles' numbers starting from last year. That makes more sense. You get a longer span. Miles played exceptionally well in 4 of those 5 games. Far and away (nod to you Schilly) better than he normally does for his career.

Sure. Okay.

Help side, yes. Man on, no.


First, Miles shot more in every one of those games, except one than Reef shoots on average.

Second, Miles was shot WELL ABOVE where he ever has during those games. It's hard to equate that to a standard.

Well, they pretty much don't. Not when you use them in a manner that only suits your interest. That's what politicians do. You have to homogenize the data. Using outlying data to prove a point is a flawed argument, at the very least.

Partially.

No, I think that is the best lineup for the Blazers.

My "I love Shareef" side wants him traded. I don't want him here in Portland anymore, regardless of whether he starts or not.

But, I think Reef starting would be a HUGE benefit for this team.

He does. It doesn't mean he doesn't post up all the time.

Oh boy, let's use the all-powerful DA argument. Imean, he's been so forthcoming about what works and doesn't work ... FOR HIM.

Hmmm... let's see ... does this also mean that you think it is extremely hard to hit those open jumpers? That's another really good quote.

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riehldeal

dude i really think you should tone down the personal attacks, like saying you flat out dont care what some other person thinks or that the person doesnt have a valued opinion like you said to me....

anyways

what about; telfair...ruben...miles...outlaw...Zbo
against smaller teams of course

Playmaker0017

Shall I lie?

Well, if I do remember correctly, you did say that you thought a lot of people here weren't "real" fans. You kind of provoked that one yourself.

If you want to lose 90% of your games, than yes.

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riehldeal

i have no personal problems with you obviously because i dont know you, but you often come accross as arogant and rude...do with that what you will.....wow and "shall i lie" no i am not asking you to lie but you could politely say you disagree or whatever else you can think of but others feelings and thoughts/opinions clearly mean that little to you....why do i feel i am wasting my breath.......and from what i can remember i said people werent real fans when they constantly flip flop their positions on issues on a game by game basis and esspecially when they begin to rip into a young player like telfair only 2 games into his career but then will more than likely be drooling over him in a few years when he is a great player and deny any such comments from the past