Schilly

Well since we have a certain Boston fan who thinks we're dumber than snot cakes, I thought I'd give a new deal a shot.

(sorry tlong I used realGM, to speed up the process)

Portland trades:
PG Nick Van Exel (10.8 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 3.7 apg in 27.5 minutes)
SG Derek Anderson (10.5 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 3.3 apg in 30.0 minutes)
SF Darius Miles (12.6 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.7 apg in 27.1 minutes)

Portland receives:
SF Paul Pierce (21.5 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 4.2 apg in 36.2 minutes)
PG Gary Payton (12.5 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 6.2 apg in 32.7 minutes)
F Michael Stewart (No games yet played in 2004/05)
PF Tom Gugliotta (1.3 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.4 apg in 10.9 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +1.4 ppg, +0.7 rpg, and +2.1 apg.

Boston trades:
SF Paul Pierce (21.5 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 4.2 apg in 36.2 minutes)
PG Gary Payton (12.5 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 6.2 apg in 32.7 minutes)
F Michael Stewart (No games yet played in 2004/05)
PF Tom Gugliotta (1.3 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.4 apg in 10.9 minutes)

Boston receives:
PG Nick Van Exel (10.8 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 3.7 apg in 27.5 minutes)
SG Derek Anderson (10.5 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 3.3 apg in 30.0 minutes)
SF Darius Miles (12.6 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.7 apg in 27.1 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -1.4 ppg, -0.7 rpg, and -2.1 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

whiterhino

Sorry don't like that one either. Some might as they might like Miles, I'm not a Miles fan, I think he's way overated and won't amount to much. I also don't like the idea of reuniting Miles and Ricky Davis.
I don't think you are dumber than snot by the way, I just think you guys don't want to give up anything that anyone would want, and yet you are getting an all-star and admittedly someone who's better than ANYONE currently on your roster. For that you need to give up a young guy in Monia, Outlaw etc....Expiring contracts are not going to help Boston that much, we are way in trouble with Vinnie Bakers contract still on our books etc...Also the free agent pool this summer sucks other than Michael Redd whom we could NEVER afford.

__________________
I dream in Green : ) WE WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOU DJ, You will be in the Hall Of Fame]
I AM A CELTIC

mediocre man

Paul Pierce is a really good player, we get it. you keep saying he is an all star, we get that too. What you need to understand is that he is an all star in the eastern conference. That's a conference that has a winning % below .500 against the west. Paul Pierce would not be an all star in the west.

You also say Miles is over rated. Please look at his numbers as a starter. Not in a reserve role. He puts up pretty darn good numbers.

You're right about being better than anyone on our roster though. Arguably he is. The problem with discussing this between team fans is that each fan base thinks their guys value is more than what it really is.

I do think that despite what you think Miles SAR and Monya would be enough to get Pierce as long as the Blazers took back an ugly contract.

Dan

wow..that wasn't any better.

we send an aging PG, a waste of a SG, and a SF that could or could not be decent?

why don't we just do a hostile takover of the Celtics franchise while we're at it!?

At least in a Shareef + picks for Pierce + (whatever) they're at least getting a good player (stat wise) in return.

__________________
A Buddhist walks up to a hot dog vendor and says "Make me one with everything".

when will the loss of life end?

The world respects the power of our example, not an example of our power.

I'd like to say I made this, but I didn't

Trader Ed

I do not want Payton anymore

How about Pierce and LefFrentz in return?

__________________
"The whole is greater than the sum of its parts..."

Heart, desire and hustle! Its the fire within that makes a champion.

Vintage

That's horrendous.

One of the worst trade proposals I have ever written, which is saying something.

__________________
w00t

Schilly

BTW I was trying to come up with a bad deal in Bostons favor, but apparently Pierce has Kobesque trade value.

Kmurph

What does BOS want? That is really the question here. Are they looking to rebuild? If so, then they want youth\picks and expiring contracts.

Or is cap space not the major want here? If so, then a guy like Theo Ratliff could\should be in play

Ratliff, SAR, Monia and a future 1st for Pierce, LaFrentz & filler (Justin Reed or Walter McCarty or Marcus Banks).

If cap space\flexibility for FA is the priority then a deal like

LaFrentz, Pierce & Gugliotta for SAR, NVE, Monia and a future 1st.

__________________
Quit the Webster hate

white360

I don't see Boston getting anything good out of a trade.
I would not trade away Pierce, at least not with and "old" team like (aging players(SAR,Damon,NVE)) blazers.

__________________
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/...00-sidebar.jpg

Kmurph

Well I don't think most BOS fans realize what the benefit of trading Pierce and LaFrentz for the expiring deals of SAR and Damon (or NVE) really would be.

It would mean approximately $10 million or so in cap space to go after a premier FA. PLUS 2 1st round picks this year AND next year AND a young SG in Monia.

All that to go along with a core of Davis, Jefferson, Welsch, Allen, West, Banks? & Perkins.

Actually if rebuilding WAS the case then a player like Outlaw or Khryapa makes more sense for BOS.

Pierce, LaFrentz & filler for SAR, Damon (or NVE), Monia and a. future 1st.

Maybe sub Outlaw or Khryapa for Monia? I can't see POR including an Outlaw or Khryapa along with 2 expiring contracts, Monia and a futre 1st round draft pick.

__________________
Quit the Webster hate

whiterhino

Yes the deals with Monia and a future 1st included in them are much more reasonable. Before some on this board were telling me no you would not give up Telfair, Monia, a 1st, Khryapa etc...well then obviously there is no deal. We don't want old players. Cap space is great for some teams, it's not that great for us. First off the Celtics have a hard time getting free agents. Second we still wouldn't have that much cap space, we are eating part of Vin Bakers deal and we have some bad contracts, even shedding Raefs we'd still have some like Blounts. Also the free agent market this Summer sucks...as I mentioned before, we like you can't afford Michael Redd....we had Joe Johnson...been there done that...there isn't much else worth going for. Also I think that Ainge used to covet SAR bc he's a good PF but now we've discovered we already have a future great PF in Al Jefferson so SAR would just be cap space which I've explained isn't all THAT valuable to Boston right now.

__________________
I dream in Green : ) WE WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOU DJ, You will be in the Hall Of Fame]
I AM A CELTIC

Schilly

What were were telling you is we would not give up Telfair, Minia a future 1st and one of our expiring deals all in one trade for Pierce.

Now let's look a the expiring contract aspect. I know that the cap space would be minimal, but that's not all that expiring deals do, they also can save an owner millions of dollors. Sports is a business, and money is the bottom line.

Think of it like this...THe celtics are a team in transition, much like portland, ownership can save 13.8 mill next year, just on salary, plus double that to account for Luxury tax, and your at a savings of almost 28 mil...that a lot of Green.

Schilly

Just to be fair whiterhino, wht is it that you think is an acceptable return for Pierce, regardless of team, pick any team in the league, your best realistic scenario.

whiterhino

A young guy that has talent, a draft pick and an established guy that's not a star but certainly not garbage. I don't think that's too much.
I honestly can't think of a good one off the top of my head but I didn't really mind the Monia, SAR, and a 1st rounder deal.
It's the deals for Damon, NVE, SAR, Ruben etc...with no Monia and no draft pick that were ticking me off.

__________________
I dream in Green : ) WE WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOU DJ, You will be in the Hall Of Fame]
I AM A CELTIC