Dan

all I'm saying is, if he turns into a regular average bench player, big deal.

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speak for yourself fishlips... I wouldn't be surprised if Q becomes more then an average bench player. Playing along with Shaq seems to be a good thing for slashing wings. I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes their 6th man before the season is out... maybe even displacing Damon Jones in the starting lineup moving Wade to the 1, and Eddie Jones to the 2.

Actually I hope he does well... this 25 point pledge is a load of bleep (IMO) that does not help management run the club. I'm not saying the Blazers should have hung onto Q, but I cringe at the thought of their personell moves continuing to give public perception much say in the matter. I do think the lemmings are beaching themselves in disgruntled joy over Patterson's hollow moral posturing on Q's contract, but they'll be back to their usual disposition as soon as the Blazers get slapped down in that matter.

Anyhoo, good luck to Q.

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mook

yeah, it actually is a big deal. it means we gave up a bench-quality NBA player and gained nothing in return.

you only have 10 or so real players on any NBA team. whenever you give one of them up for nothing, even if they aren't the next Kobe Bryant, you are missing an opportunity to upgrade your team.

at the very least, if we had kept him on the active roster and actively shopped him, we'd be sitting on a second round draft pick now. it isn't much, but it's better than what we got out of him.

I agree with the Heat fans that this is a really nice, no-risk pickup for them. it's like when we added Joel Przybilla instead of a more veteran journeyman center. low risk, high potential.

or when the Lakers added JR Rider. sure, it didn't work out. but even though the experiment failed it didn't derail the team.

adding Qyntel really only has upside for Miami. if all he becomes is a practice player for the season, that's still something. if he lives up to the potential that his length, speed and handles have promised, it could be a massive bargain.

Dan

how does that respond to the post I made?

As for Woods, I hope he does well...but I'm hot holding my breath. He could be fools gold, or he could be the real thing. If he does, good for him. If he doesn't, surprise surprise.

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good bench players are a dime a dozen. Look at James Thomas.

if he was an upgrade, chances are he would've shown it.

or maybe sometimes you just gotta cut your losses.

Just like with Miami getting Woods, or the Knicks getting Baker...they can afford to do that. Because everyone wants to give a player a "2nd chance". But if Vin Baker falls off the wagon, people won't be making fun of the Knicks, they'll make fun of Vin. If Woods turns out to be a total idiot, they'll blame Woods, not the Heat.

If he was still on the Blazers and did something stupid, fans/media (especially those who control who's "hot" in the nba) would've blamed the Blazers. Thats how it always is. Because the team has a history or reputation as a bunch of idiots, and it sticks with the team more than it sticks with the players..who *are* the idiots.

they did try to trade him. Or at least, if you believe the local media here they did.

altho, I'm unaware of joel's troubled past. 8)

that was a low low low risk, because JR was already spiraling into "out of the league" player anyway.

It wa slike when the blazers signed Rod Strickland. The "potential" was high (rod being a good backup/solidifying the team) but the bust potential was high too.

I think at this point in his career, this is a make or break season for him. It's not like he's 19 or 20. He's going to be 24 next month. And remember, 24 is the new 30.

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mook

good bench players who still have upside aren't a dime a dozen. the difference between a .500 NBA team and a .600 NBA team is often just a couple of good bench players.

I don't think we disagree on much, except that I think Portland didn't really expend much effort in trying to shop him. by keeping him off the active roster in some sort of contract PR grandstanding, they sabotaged any minimal effort they exerted to trade him.

the fact that three or four teams were reported to be eager to sign him off waivers tells me that we clearly did not do a good job of exploring trade options.

my impression is that management got fed up with Qyntel and just tried to wash their hands of the whole affair. that may be a valid perspective for the average fan, but it's management's job to try to squeeze out every drop of value that they can from players they no longer want on their team.

I don't mind that Qyntel is through in Portland. we've got enough young small forwards with just as much (or more) upside and without all the PR crap.

but I'm greedy. I don't like giving up anything valuable just for the sake of moral or PR grandstanding. every roster move is an opportunity to add value to the team.

waiving Qyntel was clearly the easy way to look good in the local media. it did nothing, however, to add value to our team.

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Can't help but agree...

Doesn't it seem like the Heat would have been willing to give up a future 2nd round draft pick for Woods?

Sure, it'd be a really low pick but it would still be an asset.

Perhaps there was truly no GM in the league willing to give up even a 2nd rounder, but I doubt it.

TP3

2 things...

Adding a drug addict to your team is anything but positive. Getting rid of a drug addict is positive.

Q had a chance to prove himself as a person and player everyday he's been a Blazer and failed miserably.

Dan

the difference between a .500 team and a .600 team isn't Qyntel Woods.

he's not the reason why Portland was .500 last year.

I agree with that, but at the same time, I doubt any teams are going to willingly trade for a guy who's being charged with fighting pit-bulls.

so how come no ones complaining that they didn't trade Stepania?

I think it did ad value, in a round about way. It means that players who are young (Outlaw, Viktor, Monia) have one less player to compete with, and there's 1 less roster spot on the team to clog the roster. Same with Step on Yah.

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Ed O

By what standard? If the Heat win more games because of Woods and the Blazers lose more games because of his absence, it seems pretty clear that any addiction he had is irrelevant.

As for trading Woods: I don't think that the Heat would have been willing to give up value because they would have had to pay him more than I'm guessing they have to now.

Finally: James Thomas is a "good bench player"? The guy can barely get off the bench on one of the worst teams in the NBA.

Ed O.

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mook

agreed. but getting rid of a drug addict AND adding a second round draft pick or some third tier youngster who still has a little potential is even more positive.

this isn't something I feel passionately about. in a year I'm sure I won't remember that we gave him up for nothing.

it just seems sloppy on management's part to waste even an admittedly small opportunity.

mook