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02-19-2005, 10:13 AM
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Canzano says Blazers should just say NO...
to anything but a blockbuster trade before the deadline:
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For once, I find myself agreeing with Canzano. The Blazers shouldn't be in any rush to make a trade before the deadline. They still have sign-and-trade options and, as Canzano points out, NVE can still be dealt as an expiring contract next summer because his contract is a team option deal.
Play the young guys, get a good draft pick, and make changes next summer.
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02-19-2005, 10:30 AM
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The temptation is to trade $48 million in expiring contracts for an assortment of new players. But that's Rotisserie League thinking. What the Vulcans are surely telling Allen is that we're headed to a lockout and a revised Collective Bargaining Agreement.
The timing for a big deal is all wrong.
Which means the Blazers are better off doing nothing in the next five days.
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If only we had Mr Spock to speculate over the quantum leaps of logic here... personally I blame the radiation coming off of the dilithium crystals.
to my reading, it looks like JC had another deadline. He basically slapped down a bunch of hooey (that essencially adds up to nothing) alongside a running Trekkie gag for garnish and called it a day. After his recent antics, JC is anything but privy to whats actually on Nash's plate.
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02-19-2005, 10:35 AM
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Re: Canzano says Blazers should just say NO...
Putting all your eggs in one basket and relying on S&T for improving the team with the new CBA unknown is highly risky IMHO. Its borderline stupidity as well..... There is a very high risk that those players can turn tail and run.... and you get nothing.
I agree, you do not make trades for the sake of making trades. No GM is that lame. You do it if it improves your salary situation, long term plans, or you improve your talent pool. Or in some situations you get rid of a bad egg.
And it does no good to hang onto a player, thinking that the last straw is we have the team option on him, so we will keep him and deal him as an expiring contract. Especially if the player up and retires. You then missed out on dealing him as a retiring player (essentially expiring), which NVE has said all along. One little change like him actually retiring, and it throws you completely off.
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02-19-2005, 10:43 AM
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Re: Canzano says Blazers should just say NO...
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Originally Posted by STOMP
from the article...
If only we had Mr Spock to speculate over the quantum leaps of logic here... personally I blame the radiation coming off of the dilithium crystals.
to my reading, it looks like JC had another deadline. He basically slapped down a bunch of hooey (that essencially adds up to nothing) alongside a running Trekkie gag for garnish and called it a day. After his recent antics, JC is anything but privy to whats actually on Nash's plate.
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were was the star trek gag?
Paul Allen has a company (or something) called Vulcan.
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02-19-2005, 11:11 AM
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Re: Canzano says Blazers should just say NO...
all the more reason why Nash needs to find a deal..
This topic has been asked and answered...repeatedly.
Making no deals is not a wise option IMO, and having to rely on offseason S&T to get value for expiring contracts is expecting A LOT, and just not very realistic....
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02-19-2005, 11:21 AM
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Re: Canzano says Blazers should just say NO...
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Putting all your eggs in one basket and relying on S&T for improving the team with the new CBA unknown is highly risky IMHO. Its borderline stupidity as well..... There is a very high risk that those players can turn tail and run.... and you get nothing. 
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That would probably be true...IF there were teams out there who want SAR or Damon AND who had the cap space to sign them to more than a MLE deal. Neither one of those guys is likely to bolt to another team for a MLE deal without first seeing if the Blazers can put together a sign-and-trade that nets them more money and a better team. As far as the new CBA goes, there are rumors that it may contain a number of tougher provisions as far as cap and luxury tax implications that would make it monumentally stupid for the Blazers to go into next season with a salary committment in the $70 million or more range.
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I agree, you do not make trades for the sake of making trades. No GM is that lame. You do it if it improves your salary situation, long term plans, or you improve your talent pool. Or in some situations you get rid of a bad egg.
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Agreed, and the Blazers may get the opportunity to make a trade like that. If they do, I'm sure Nash will jump on it. If not, it's smarter to save money by using a S&T for either Damon or SAR next summer when the amount of salary you have to take back is likely to be considerably less than their current max contracts.
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And it does no good to hang onto a player, thinking that the last straw is we have the team option on him, so we will keep him and deal him as an expiring contract. Especially if the player up and retires. You then missed out on dealing him as a retiring player (essentially expiring), which NVE has said all along. One little change like him actually retiring, and it throws you completely off.
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I'm not sure I follow your thinking with respect to NVE. I don't see that the Blazers lose anything by waiting until next summer to deal him. His contract runs through next season unless the team decides to use its option to cut him. As far as I know, that doesn't change even if he follows through on his retirement. The Blazers can still trade the contract and the team that it can then use the option to waive him without being stuck with any salary.
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02-19-2005, 11:21 AM
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Re: Canzano says Blazers should just say NO...
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were was the star trek gag?
Paul Allen has a company (or something) called Vulcan.
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Yeah, on their own, they're enough to gag anybody. 
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02-19-2005, 11:22 AM
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Re: Canzano says Blazers should just say NO...
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were was the star trek gag?
Paul Allen has a company (or something) called Vulcan.
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The Star Trek theme was throughout the article... Vulcan (PA's company) is named after the more logical half of Mr Spock's genetic makeup. He's trying to play off of this to make a logical argument, but his conclution doesn't follow his premise (IMO) that lockout and a revised Collective Bargaining Agreement somehow should mess with the Blazers choosing whether or not to make a deal. If an offer is on the table that would benefit the talent/chemistry of the club, why should looming CBA issues have anything to do with whether or not Nash gives it a thumbs up?
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02-19-2005, 11:25 AM
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Re: Canzano says Blazers should just say NO...
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....why should looming CBA issues have anything to do with whether or not Nash gives it a thumbs up?
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In case PA's evaluating selling the team? 
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02-19-2005, 11:27 AM
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all the more reason why Nash needs to find a deal..
This topic has been asked and answered...repeatedly.
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Canzano's comment on NVE's contract was a new point that I haven't seen discussed here. I thought it was worth a new thread. Also, the mere fact that Canzano is taking the time to do something other than bash Blazer management is noteworthy.
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Making no deals is not a wise option IMO, and having to rely on offseason S&T to get value for expiring contracts is expecting A LOT, and just not very realistic....
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I understand your position, Kmurph. You've made the same comment several times. It still doesn't change the fact that you're WRONG! 
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02-19-2005, 11:40 AM
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Re: Canzano says Blazers should just say NO...
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The Star Trek theme was throughout the article... Vulcan (PA's company) is named after the more logical half of Mr Spock's genetic makeup. He's trying to play off of this to make a logical argument, but his conclution doesn't follow his premise (IMO) that lockout and a revised Collective Bargaining Agreement somehow should mess with the Blazers choosing whether or not to make a deal. If an offer is on the table that would benefit the talent/chemistry of the club, why should looming CBA issues have anything to do with whether or not Nash gives it a thumbs up?
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The new CBA is a total wildcard at this point because nobody knows exactly what the new rules will be. Among the things that Stern is said to be pushing for is a hard cap and a larger luxury tax. A hard cap could leave the Blazers hamstrung for years if they take on multiple additional longterm contracts. It could become almost impossible to trade a player to a team that's over the cap (which is almost all of them) if trade exceptions go the way of the dodo bird. As far as luxury tax implications go, as it stands right now, the Blazers are committed to salaries equal to the current luxury tax threshhold. They'll be over it when they bring in Monya and sign a new draft pick. The Blazers have said that fiscal responsibility is a major part of the new direction they've been given by Paul Allen. It would be stupid for us to assume that the prospect of essentially having to pay both the player and the league for every additional contract we take on wouldn't be a factor in Nash's decisions. I don't think it means the Blazers wouldn't make a deal that dramatically improved their team, but I think they're going to be really cautious about it.
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02-19-2005, 12:33 PM
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Re: Canzano says Blazers should just say NO...
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The new CBA is a total wildcard at this point because nobody knows exactly what the new rules will be. Among the things that Stern is said to be pushing for is a hard cap and a larger luxury tax. A hard cap could leave the Blazers hamstrung for years if they take on multiple additional longterm contracts. It could become almost impossible to trade a player to a team that's over the cap (which is almost all of them) if trade exceptions go the way of the dodo bird. As far as luxury tax implications go, as it stands right now, the Blazers are committed to salaries equal to the current luxury tax threshhold. They'll be over it when they bring in Monya and sign a new draft pick. The Blazers have said that fiscal responsibility is a major part of the new direction they've been given by Paul Allen. It would be stupid for us to assume that the prospect of essentially having to pay both the player and the league for every additional contract we take on wouldn't be a factor in Nash's decisions. I don't think it means the Blazers wouldn't make a deal that dramatically improved their team, but I think they're going to be really cautious about it.
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that makes a little sense, but... if the club allows two of the three big figures to come off their cap and moves one possibly packaged with a pick(s) and/or a prospect or two for similar figures that will stay on the cap for a while, Nash will still be able to claim financial responsibility (IMO). The team's overall figures will be middle of the NBA pack. I have a hard time believing that the owners and players are about to agree to a new CBA that will punish/hamstring a good % of the league's teams.
Hard Cap  yeah right... if thats really what will be pushed for by the owners, I doubt there will be a game played next year. But like you said, nobody knows exactly what the new rules will be... that includes JC.
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02-19-2005, 01:12 PM
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Re: Canzano says Blazers should just say NO...
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The Star Trek theme was throughout the article... Vulcan (PA's company) is named after the more logical half of Mr Spock's genetic makeup. He's trying to play off of this to make a logical argument, but his conclution doesn't follow his premise (IMO) that lockout and a revised Collective Bargaining Agreement somehow should mess with the Blazers choosing whether or not to make a deal. If an offer is on the table that would benefit the talent/chemistry of the club, why should looming CBA issues have anything to do with whether or not Nash gives it a thumbs up?
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ooh..I was probably not thinking logical.
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02-19-2005, 03:53 PM
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