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Utherhimo · 10-02-2005, 07:47 PM

dixon smith and blake are veterans

**Dan** · 10-02-2005, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Public Defender

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I am still giving Nash and Patterson to the end of the season to demonstrate that their vision is headed in the right direction. I could be vastly underestimating this team's talent, and it may be that a little experience and Telfair, Outlaw, Miles, Z-Bo and company will be finding a winning rhythm. But I bet we'll be wishing the Blazers had paved the road to success with a move or two involving one of our four departed veterans before the year's out.

I too am giving till the end of the season, and if the group of newb's don't show any promise (outlaw in particular) I'm hoping they do make a trade for someone who will. But I want to find out that the players we DO have, aren't that kind of player before I complain about a lack of movement.

If it's obvious, by Jan (or earlier) that Outlaw is pulling a Ronnie Murphy on us, then I say you trade him. If it's obvious by the same time that he's pulling a 15 ppg type #'s, I won't be too upset.

There are too many unknowns, that we don't..well, know, to proclaim things are either one way or the other. Are things perfect? Nope, hardly. But at the exact same time, things aren't absolutely horrible. There could be a lot of surprises with the younger guys on the team.

However, if we're getting a full season of Charles Smith and Steve Blake being main cogs on the team, and Outlaw, MOnia, Viktor and Jack (or Telfair too) doing bupkiss...well, then it'll be a big mistake. I just don't think it will be that bad, and that the young players will prove they're good enough to justify that the vets who left weren't worth keeping, and that the vets we could've signed, weren't worth signing.

Do I wish we could've gotten more for those 4? Yes..but considering what happened, I don't see the point in harping on it forever. Move on (not reffering to you PD, or anyone in particular), and go with what happened, not what we think could've or should've happened.

Utherhimo · 10-02-2005, 08:08 PM

yup i am giving them this season to improve, i am hopeful that the additions are hungry prove to be hungry and good example for our younger players, better than 3 of the 4 players we lost.

**Oldmangrouch** · 10-02-2005, 09:19 PM

Geez people...it isn't like that ESPN article actually means anything! No team has ever been denied a play-off spot because they won more games then some writer predicted.....or vice versa.

As for the "losing the vets" argument, how does a young player become a "vet?" He gets a chance to play. IMHO, Nash has made plenty of mistakes. Waving good-bye to Damon, DA, and NVE isn't among them. ( Losing SAR without compensation is another matter entirely.)

zagsfan20 · 10-02-2005, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by STOMP

sure you labeled those who are airing their concerns as "spoiled". Perhaps you didn't notice, but in the last thread you and I went back and forth in, 3 of your posts either had portions crossed out or were eliminated entirely for the same sort of stuff.

STOMP

I'm using the word "spoiled" regarding the fanbases 21 years of consecutive playoff basketball...not because they're airing their concerns....I could careless about that..And seriously if someone is going to take offense personally to word "spoiled" they shouldn't be debating on a public internet forum...Sure I had some posts in the Mixum thread crossed out, but that was in past threads regarding a certain poster and you decided to bring it up in this post?....And I'm sure you have had posts edited by mods in the past too, what are you trying to insinuate?....

**sa1177** · 10-02-2005, 10:56 PM

IMO it's time for some folks to realize the Trader BOB big spending days are over...Allen has decided he has spent enough chasing a championship with pure $$. It's not only Trader Bob that is over but the entire era of spend spend spend in order to win a championship. It never worked here in Portland, didn't work in Dallas or Sacramento either. Those days are over.

I am not saying i agree with every move the Blazers have made this summer, but you can no longer expect us to acquire a new high caliber player every year. The days of big spending are over.

**STOMP** · 10-02-2005, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by zagsfan20

I'm sure you have had posts edited by mods in the past too, what are you trying to insinuate?....

Actually I've only had one post edited... it was for compiling a list of all the insults that you'd called me within a thread. I didn't call you the same stuff back, I just listed all of the mud that you'd slung my way. That multi-page thread was locked because of those insults. Though of course that post is largely deleted, I could link it if you want...

So what am I trying to insinuate? As I've expressed before many times, I'm hoping that you'll knock those sorts of tactics off and try to be respectful of those who hold opinions who you don't happen to agree with. I'm fine with you (and other diehards) feeling that this team is bound for championships (or thereabouts). I'm glad that you have the opprotunity here at bbb.net to express why you feel this way. That we disagree about this assessment does not make it OK for either side to characterize the other in degrading terms like "spoiled" by the rules here. Those are set up to help us avoid becoming an O-Live type cesspool.

We both agreed to abide by those rules when we registered.

STOMP

zagsfan20 · 10-02-2005, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by STOMP

Actually I've only had one post edited... it was for compiling a list of all the insults that you'd called me within a thread. I didn't call you the same stuff back, I just listed all of the mud that you'd slung my way. That multi-page thread was locked because of those insults. Though of course that post is largely deleted, I could link it if you want...

So what am I trying to insinuate? As I've expressed before many times, I'm hoping that you'll knock those sorts of tactics off and try to be respectful of those who hold opinions who you don't happen to agree with. I'm fine with you (and other diehards) feeling that this team is bound for championships (or thereabouts). I'm glad that you have the opprotunity here at bbb.net to express why you feel this way. That we disagree about this assessment does not make it OK for either side to characterize the other in degrading terms like "spoiled" by the rules here. Those are set up to help us avoid becoming an O-Live type cesspool.

We both agreed to abide by those rules when we registered.

STOMP

I really don't think your understanding my usage of the word "spoiled".....as I have said in the previous post, my use of the word spoiled has nothing to do with a certain person or group of persons who think a certain way....I said we as a fanbase have been spoiled because of the fact that before the last two years we were in the playoffs more frequently than any other team....The fact that you take the word "spoiled" as offensive is laughable and silly..and there's a reason why nobody has said anything about it except for you, because your the one who likes to make a mountain out of a mole hill and start pointless arguments out of nothing....

Now that I have explained my usage of the word "spoiled" twice do you understand what I mean or am I going to have to explain it again?.....

Since when are you Mr. Respectful of everyone's opinion, last time I checked you were the one getting in long drawn out pointless arguments with people on a daily basis....and I can think of about 3 or 4 different posters that you mostly attack due to their not holding the same opinion as you...

As for me being getting a post deleted thats great, sometimes my emotions get in the way and I say things I don't neccessarily mean....You starting back and forth pointless arguments with people on here on a regular basis and your illusive attempts to put people down with out actually breaking the rules is a nice little trait of yours and I think should be against the site rules...

But anyways thanks for the refreshing look back of when I broke the site rules, especially since when I broke rules for something that has nothing to do with this post, but nice job digging up dirt on me in I'm sure an attempt to make me look foolish.....

Now thats it I'm done responding to your little counter attacks at me....Please carry on and annoy someone else now, its old and lame to me now...

**gatorpops** · 10-03-2005, 01:10 AM

I beleive that NVE, DS, and DA can be replaced easily by average play of many players on the current roster.

NVE was very "gimpy" by seasons end and not very effective with the bad knees.

DS was just horrible as a point guard last year and failed to get others effectively involved in the game.

DA, whom I have stuck up for for some time either was debilitaed by injury or just gave up and was not effective after those first few games.

All of these sometimes had good scoring games and were effective for short streches yet could not sustain the "good".

SAR was not very effective as a sf and they should have played Miles much more in MHO.

In light of these opinions I believe that any number of our much younger healtier players will be more effective team players and comtribute to the success of the team better than any of the departing veterans making the players we have, make the Blazers a better team this year.
This will consequerntly cause them to register more wins.
That is why I believe the team will do better this year.
More wins and more players progressing instead of regressing.

Many of the arguments that Hap and some others have made in this thread are the arguments that I agree with.

Even so, I hope you all are with me when I say I hope I am right.

Just think training camp starts tomorrow and I look forward to some tidbits of info on my favorite team. By the way my only favorite team.
A long time ago I decided that there was way too many teams to follow in all sports and I decided I would give all my allegence to the Blazers.
Over the susequent 34 + years I have enjoyed many very good teams and one championship. I have been amply repayed.

Thanks Trail Blazers and I look forward to year 35. (it is 35 isn't it?)

LETS GET IT STARTED!!

gatorpops

Goldmember · 10-03-2005, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by sa1177

IMO it's time for some folks to realize the Trader BOB big spending days are over...

I don't see a lot of evidence of this. If Paul Allen wants to keep someone he'll spend the money, i.e. Zach, Miles and Theo. If Outlaw or Webster become stars there's no doubt that PA will pay them big money to keep them.

What's really over is the trading for big contracts. At least for the time being. We're not going to get someone else's (likely fading) star but there's no reason we can't keep our own. If the organization turns around and can become great by spending the money then PA isn't going to go Donald Sterling on the team.

Blazer Ringbearer · 10-03-2005, 06:03 AM

Don't disagree with the ranking... in fact, I'm thrilled with it.

I'm pretty sick of the national media setting high hopes for the Blazers team and then lambasting them when they don't achieve those standards.

I think the Blazers can easily beat this ranking and that's why I like it...

casebeck22 · 10-03-2005, 06:07 AM

I like the Blazers but I agree with the rating until it is proven otherwise.

Good luck this season.

Utherhimo · 10-03-2005, 07:23 AM

media day is here!

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