Dan

not to sound like we're jumping off the "bandwagon" so to speak, but should the lineup be changed?

What about:

Telfair
Dixon
Monia
Darius
Joel?

or

Telfair
Jack
Monia
Darius
Joel?

or
Telfair
Monia
Darius
Theo
Joel?

I think Zach is the "weakest" link, per-say, in the lineup. They all need work (some more than others) but I think Zach's lack-luster play lately (2 rebounds in 2 seperate games is pathetic) is the biggest red-flag. Telfairs suspect D isn't exactly kosher either, but that seems to appear in games that coincide with him having to take a much bigger offensive role because of the games where Zach's O is as good as 3 month old Milk.

regardless, they need to get it into Zach's head that he has to play regardless of how he's doing offensively.

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Zach will get his numbers...the fact he got into it witha teammate about touches is evidence of that. I don't think you pull Zach unless you have a trade lined up that willl absorb the BYC, otherwise you have just pushed the "self destruct" button. Basically due to the Cancer I think Zach would become if pulled.

Dan

I think in a way thats why you do it. Because it might break him of that. Before, he could whine and the coach would wilt. Now the coach will say "look, it's my way, or the express freeway to my boot stuck straight up your candy ***, you jabroni".

It's not like this is going to make us a non playoff team..we're gonna be bad. But like in the military, they have to break down players before you can build them up. And the Old Zach is still showing up far too often.

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Id much rather have a Dixon,Jack/Webster,Monia/Outlaw,Miles/Kryapha,Joel/Ha i don't really like some of Bassy's late game decisions like the one in the 3rd where he went for a layup and missed and instead of hurrying up court argued with the ref and his man ran up court and scored 2.

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Zach is our best player, and we should be getting him more shots within the flow of the offense. We have guards in Telfair and Dixon who seem to be more concerned with getting their OWN shots than putting Zach in a good position to score.

There's little excuse for Zach not to rebound the ball irrespective of whether he's getting his touches, but right now the offense is being run outside-in, rather than inside-out, and that's not Zach's fault.

Ed O.

HOWIE

I missed tonights game, are those box score numbers correct? Did Howard domonate Randolph that bad tonight? Maybe Zach had to much at the Blazers Thanksgiving feast, but damn he has to be in the paint getting rebounds at the very least. I am sure that he'll get his numbers, but games like this make ya wonder sometimes.

Sounds like it was an ugly game for Randolph.

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mook

I was always criticizing Mo Cheeks for his inability to adjust. However, I really think Nate is starting our best players, and the guys who fit best together. Our guys just aren't as good as the other teams' guys on many nights.

You can't really seriously expect our coach to bench a 19 point, 10 rebound guy, can you? Especially when we don't even have another legit PF on the team.

gambitnut

I think a small lineup of

Telfair
Webster
Monia
Miles
Zach

would be fun, with Joel for Zach when we want more defense. It would be fun to at least try it against the right team, like the Hawks for example.

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Dan

I don't disagree that telfair and dixon are sometimes more concernted with getting their own shots, but so is Zach. Zach is so concerned with getting his own shots he fails to see that him passing out of a double team to a player and not getting the ball back right away, will make the offense flow better.

Why? Because teams will know it'll go right back to Zach.

I think the games where Telfair has been "more concerned" about getting his own shots have been more out of neccesity than want. It's been mostly 2 games, (NY and tonite) and just coincidentially happen to be in games where Zach phones it in.

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Who the best player is on the Blazers I think at this point is debatable...Zachs our best scorer, and his rebound numbers are good, but does that make him the best player? As of right now though he is not only our best PF but out only PF.

BTW with Zach as our starting PF we have yet to make the playoffs and have gotten progressively worse.

Dan

if he phones it in like he's done 2 out of the last 4 games, yes I can. It's not like he's passing more, or playing defense more, or understanding that it's not about him shooting shots and therefore him getting rebounds.

If he doesn't want to play the system (or understand that playing the system actually makes it easier for him) than he's not worth keeping around, because it's not like he's making it easier on the guys. If he can accept that he doesn't need to have the ball all the time, and that passing out of a double team to a wide open guy is good (or that moving without the ball is good) and is willing to show that, even in games where his shot isn't falling..than yah..he can play minutes. But he only shows that (and doesn't even show that much of it) when he's playing good (in his mind).

If him getting it through his head takes 3-5 games of him not starting, that's good.

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I don't think there was a "necessity" of Sebastian getting shots tonight. The Orlando announcers correctly pointed out that Zach barely touched the ball at the beginning of the game. Joel was scoring effectively, but it was weird that Zach was frozen out like he was.

Sebastian was aggressive offensively to the detriment of Zach and some of the other Blazers. Telfair was relatively effective, particularly in the first three quarters or so, but Zach needs good offensive looks to be active in other portions of the game, and I think that the Blazers (including Telfair and Juan) need to recognize that.

Ed O.

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