mixum

dont think too hard cause the answer is NOBODY. Outlaw, Jack, Telfair, Victor, Webster, Monia, and Ha all look like future bench players(on awful teams). Not one of these guys has had a big time game that you would hope to see after 30 games. I know they are young but cmon.....theres no glimpses at all to let us think any of these guys will be special or even starters.

You know what young talent is....look at Josh Howard and Marquis Daniels last night. Both those guys were pretty solid their first years in the league puting up decent numbers. our so called young guys DO NOTHING. Boston and New york have young emerging players like Jefferson, Frye, West, Lee, and so on. Im sorry but I DO NOT see anything from of our young guys. The games we have won are becasue of vet play. What im saying is, this so called youth movement wont last long cause Nate knows that MOST of the young guys are very average players who are not the future of this team.

Lets look at each.......

1. Outlaw....what has he done when out there to get more chances. great leaping ability but that doesnt win games by touching backboards.

2. Monia....thank god he doesnt play cause it wasnt pretty.

3. Victor.....maybe a good backup but nowhere near a starter. Your SF has to score and thats something Victor does not do.

4. HA...please no jokes right now.

5. Webster.....DISSAPOINTMENT. HOw about the #6 overall pick at least hitting a jumper when open? How about the 36 overall pick knowing how to dribble through traffic? backup at best......if he can ever hit a shot.

6. Telfair....too small and isnt a Nate type point guard. He might be a spark off the bench in years to come but isnt a starter in the NBA. His jumpoer has regressed as well as his defense.

7. Jack...cant score but might have had the best season among all our young guys. Decent passer and seems like he has the game in his control but no threat to score and isnt an assist wizard so hes basically not that valuable unless hes a backup. Not impessed at all.


So where should i be excited?

RedHot&Rolling

Answer: Jack. He has stepped up and played quite well for a rookie.

Telfair also has improved since last season. His Assists-to-turnovers ratio is still NBA quality. TO's are down. He still needs to work on shooting and defense.

Outlaw has regressed from the confident player we saw at the tail end of last season. He still has talent.

Khryapa has a good overall game for all the entangibles. He defends, rebounds, assists. But, his shooting is timid at best.

Webster is a typical 18 yr old rookie - trying to figure it out. He is not a bust. He just doesn't get it yet. I have confidence he will in a season or two.

Ha - is a project. Even he is getting better than when he was with the Reign.

This team is on pace for a better W-L record than I predicted (20-25 W's) so I am still not panicking. Some of you need to remember that this process is not a 30 game process but a 2-4 YEAR process. Please keep your shorts on.

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Blazer Freak

Your right mixum, its not like every single one of the players you mentioned is 23 or younger. So they really don't have any time to improve. How do you expect Webster/Outlaw/Ha to show something when they are getting sporadic minutes?

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mixum, your rants are usually rash and overblown, but this one isn't even original. You obviously got this idea from reading the article at O-Live about McMillan playing the vets.

Your argument about Telfair isn't even honest. His jumpshot has IMPROVED from last year, not "regressed." And how you could say Jack "can't score" is beyond me. The guy has a very nice jump shot, and showed it in last night's game. Outlaw is very talented and has great potential. At the end of last year there were several GMs inquiring about him, so they obviously all saw something special in the guy. Khryapa is a nice player with a lot of smarts. He's not a real starter, but I never expected him to be.

After our win over Minnesota, a poster from another board raved about how deep our team is. Apparently even outsiders can see things you can't.

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tlong

Mixum, at this point in time your argument is valid and it is difficult to debate. Hopefully our young guys will improve in the near future.

hasoos

I take it this is the day after a loss Mixum post.

I actually think Martells shooting has been improving over the last couple of weeks, and I also think his defense and rebounding awareness has increased a lot over the last few weeks. Improvement isn't always putting the ball in the hole, although it would be nice.

I also think Jack is doing fine in his backup role, he has been fairly consistent in his play, and his defense is ok. He can hit shots and take physical contact, which is something normally a veteran type player does.

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e_blazer1

I don't think it's particularly surprising that the young players aren't having a great deal of success so far this year. First, they're really young, most lacking college experience, and they're just trying to learn the NBA game. It just takes time. The ones who have been around since last year are dealing with adapting to their third coach in their brief careers. Add to that the way that they're being used in game situations, getting spot minutes and being yanked as soon as they make a couple of mistakes, and it's pretty easy to see why they may look to be busts.

My general impression is that we have some talented players, but that we may not see the results we want from them as quickly as we would like.

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Dan

yah, because if a player doesn't look great from the start, he'll never be anything..

as usual, you're making statements that are not really based on logic.

Look at Torontos first 30 games his rookie year (they were 4-26 btw). He had 12 DNP (including a stint on IR). He scored 0 6 times, and averaged 4.7 ppg.

I guess he's turned out ok. It's a shame no one back then was impatient and figured that if after 30 games into his career he hadn't already had a "game" and made such silly assertions.

Actually, I'm pretty sure impatient Raptor fans did.
They also were older, and played with much better talent. That hides a lot of your issues.

you mean 4.4 ppg David Lee? Or averaging about the same as Telfair was starting West?

Or not doing super great Jefferson (who if you compare to Frye, is not doing a lot)?

try floating in some actual facts and solid arguments..
vet play? The only players who are "vets" who are playing a lot of minutes are Ruben and Theo. The rest aren't old vets, unless you want to change the criteria for what a "vet" is. In that case, Travis is a vet (in his 3rd year)..

catch a clue. Because a player doesn't perform to standards right off the bat, doesn't mean ****. Not only that, a lot of the players that you compare them to, DON'T put up significantly better #'s (if at all)..

I agree on Outlaw.
we should trade him. i mean, if he's not already dominating the game, he's a waste.

we should trade him. i mean, if he's not already dominating the game, he's a waste.
we should trade him. i mean, if he's not already dominating the game, he's a waste.
see my mgcrady comments. I seriously question if you actually watch games or if you just look at stats.
this proves it.
in a padded room

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Why don't we create a "Mixum Daily Journal" sticky thread where he can post this stuff every other day over and over and over. In time, he'll view how similar his previous posts are, and he'll simply begin copying and pasting previous entries. It will save him so much time!

Ukrainefan

I think this is a legitimate subject for debate. I am concerned that Webster can't make an open jump shot so far. I always felt that there were only two surefire prospects in the draft (Bogut and Paul) and once Charlotte turned down our offer to trade our 3 for their 5 and 13 (and by the way that decision by Charlotte might been the worst of draft day decisions), we probably should have drafted Paul. But who knows, Webster may still turn the corner; it's really early.

My gut feeling is that Telfair won't develope his potential under this coach, but who know?

I think Victor is improving and as long as he is improving there is no reason to believe he won't be a fulltime starter some day. He seems to have the athletic ability (did you see that block on Diop last night?) and definitely the basketball smarts that would enable him to improve.

It's really early to decide. Marquis Daniels averaged 8.5 points his first year and as I remember didn't really impress until the playoffs. Josh Howard averaged 8.6 points his first year on .430 shooting and he still is only shooting .439 this year.

I agree with some other posters that Jack is improving nicely. Many great point guards did not do as well as he is doing in the first two months of their careers. Often point guard is the position most difficult to learn in the NBA.

Outlaw????

Ha, still very young and inexperienced.

Monia, who knows, the guy just needs experience.

Kmurph

Steve Nash sucks....

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SEASON TEAM G MIN FG FGA FG% FG3 FG3A FG3% FT FTA FT% PTS AVG
1996-97 Pho. 65 684 74 175 42.3 23 55 41.8 42 51 82.4 213 3.3
1997-98 Pho. 76 1664 268 584 45.9 81 195 41.5 74 86 86.0 691 9.1
1998-99 Dal. 40 1269 114 314 36.3 49 131 37.4 38 46 82.6 315 7.9
1999-00 Dal. 56 1532 173 363 47.7 60 149 40.3 75 85 88.2 481 8.6

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SolidGuy3

1. Outlaw - Just lost out there, only thing going for him is that he can jump and block the occassional shot.

2. Monia - At best a bench player, should have stayed in Europe where he can get better.

3. Victor - Not sure about Viktor now, his shot is that bad.

4. HA - Has talent, people just don't believe in him except me and a few other people.

5. Webster - Wasn't worth the #6 pick overall, at best a bench player.

6. Telfair - Can't play defense but has handles, reminds me of a street ball player.

7. Jack - Might be a starter down the road but still has a ways to go.

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